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Post by jimmie on Dec 7, 2010 15:01:19 GMT -8
Tonga,
Can I deal with your questions one at a time? First:
[quote G-d coming in human form.
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Gen. 18:1 And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,
Who is the third person that didn’t visit Lot?
Dan 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.
Who is the fourth person in the fire?
It seems to me that God has appeared in human form of old. If so, then why not as Messiah?
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Baptism
Dec 2, 2010 15:07:52 GMT -8
Post by jimmie on Dec 2, 2010 15:07:52 GMT -8
Mikveh has rules on how and where the vessel is built. How it is filled the first time. Circumcision, washing, paring of nails required prior to entering.
Most Christian baptisms do not carry such requirements. Catholics and Methodist sprinkle while most others require full emersion. Only the Dunkers (a Baptist splinter Group) require three emersions. Non-emersion baptisms are not generally accepted by groups that require emersion.
Messianics require the use of the name during the act of baptism.
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Baptism
Nov 29, 2010 13:36:16 GMT -8
Post by jimmie on Nov 29, 2010 13:36:16 GMT -8
Christians claim to be Messianic as they claim to follow Jesus the Messiah. However they generally make little or no attempt to walk according to God’s laws as Jesus did and Messianics do. Baptism is a semble of the rebirth, which is a turning from following man’s ways to following God’s ways. If a priest touched something unclean, he could not eat the holy things unless he washed first. In a similar way, we must be washed before we can partake of the holy things of God.
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Post by jimmie on Nov 23, 2010 10:58:58 GMT -8
thats a very nice post. the question i now ask myself is whether they wanted to be like samson meaning to be particularly set apart their whole life which requires you to not drink alcohol for example. To clarify: Did they intend to be nazarites??quote] II Kings 10:15 And when he was departed thence, he lighted on Jehonadab the son of Rechab coming to meet him: and he saluted him, and said to him, Is thine heart right, as my heart is with thy heart? And Jehonadab answered, It is. If it be, give me thine hand. And he gave him his hand; and he took him up to him into the chariot. 16 And he said, Come with me, and see my zeal for the LORD. So they made him ride in his chariot. 17 And when he came to Samaria, he slew all that remained unto Ahab in Samaria, till he had destroyed him, according to the saying of the LORD, which he spake to Elijah. 18 And Jehu gathered all the people together, and said unto them, Ahab served Baal a little; but Jehu shall serve him much. 19 Now therefore call unto me all the prophets of Baal, all his servants, and all his priests; let none be wanting: for I have a great sacrifice to do to Baal; whosoever shall be wanting, he shall not live. But Jehu did it in subtlety, to the intent that he might destroy the worshippers of Baal. 20 And Jehu said, Proclaim a solemn assembly for Baal. And they proclaimed it. 21 And Jehu sent through all Israel: and all the worshippers of Baal came, so that there was not a man left that came not. And they came into the house of Baal; and the house of Baal was full from one end to another. 22 And he said unto him that was over the vestry, Bring forth vestments for all the worshippers of Baal. And he brought them forth vestments. 23 And Jehu went, and Jehonadab the son of Rechab, into the house of Baal, and said unto the worshippers of Baal, Search, and look that there be here with you none of the servants of the LORD, but the worshippers of Baal only. 24 And when they went in to offer sacrifices and burnt offerings, Jehu appointed fourscore men without, and said, If any of the men whom I have brought into your hands escape, he that letteth him go, his life shall be for the life of him. 25 And it came to pass, as soon as he had made an end of offering the burnt offering, that Jehu said to the guard and to the captains, Go in, and slay them; let none come forth. And they smote them with the edge of the sword; and the guard and the captains cast them out, and went to the city of the house of Baal. 26 And they brought forth the images out of the house of Baal, and burned them. 27 And they brake down the image of Baal, and brake down the house of Baal, and made it a draught house unto this day. 28 Thus Jehu destroyed Baal out of Israel. 29 Howbeit from the sins of Jeroboam the son of Nebat, who made Israel to sin, Jehu departed not from after them, to wit, the golden calves that were in Bethel, and that were in Dan. 30 And the LORD said unto Jehu, Because thou hast done well in executing that which is right in mine eyes, and hast done unto the house of Ahab according to all that was in mine heart, thy children of the fourth generation shall sit on the throne of Israel. 31 But Jehu took no heed to walk in the law of the LORD God of Israel with all his heart: for he departed not from the sins of Jeroboam, which made Israel to sin. 32 In those days the LORD began to cut Israel short: and Hazael smote them in all the coasts of Israel; It appears that Jehonadab’s purpose for the Recabite Traditions may have been two fold. The no houses, field or seed portion gave them the needed mobility to escape areas begin taken over by Hazael as seen in vs 32 above and eventually to escape to Jerusalem as seen in the passage from Jeremiah. The no wine portion would have made it particularly hard for the Recabites to participate in the worship at the two golden calves that Jehu continued to cleave to after Jehonadab helped him become King. In short, as society around Jehonadab was falling apart, he lead his family into a way of life similar to that of Israel in the wilderness. Deut. 29:6 “Ye have not eaten bread, neither have ye drunk wine or strong drink: that ye might know that I am the LORD your God.” It doesn’t appear that the Recabites took on the full requirements of the Nazarite vow. |
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Post by jimmie on Nov 19, 2010 7:47:05 GMT -8
Jer 35:35:1 The word which came unto Jeremiah from the LORD in the days of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah, saying,
2 Go unto the house of the Rechabites, and speak unto them, and bring them into the house of the LORD, into one of the chambers, and give them wine to drink.
3 Then I took Jaazaniah the son of Jeremiah, the son of Habaziniah, and his brethren, and all his sons, and the whole house of the Rechabites;
4 And I brought them into the house of the LORD, into the chamber of the sons of Hanan, the son of Igdaliah, a man of God, which was by the chamber of the princes, which was above the chamber of Maaseiah the son of Shallum, the keeper of the door:
5 And I set before the sons of the house of the Rechabites pots full of wine, and cups, and I said unto them, Drink ye wine.
6 But they said, We will drink no wine: for Jonadab the son of Rechab our father commanded us, saying, Ye shall drink no wine, neither ye, nor your sons for ever:
7 Neither shall ye build house, nor sow seed, nor plant vineyard, nor have any: but all your days ye shall dwell in tents; that ye may live many days in the land where ye be strangers.
8 Thus have we obeyed the voice of Jonadab the son of Rechab our father in all that he hath charged us, to drink no wine all our days, we, our wives, our sons, nor our daughters;
9 Nor to build houses for us to dwell in: neither have we vineyard, nor field, nor seed:
10 But we have dwelt in tents, and have obeyed, and done according to all that Jonadab our father commanded us.
11 But it came to pass, when Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon came up into the land, that we said, Come, and let us go to Jerusalem for fear of the army of the Chaldeans, and for fear of the army of the Syrians: so we dwell at Jerusalem.
12 Then came the word of the LORD unto Jeremiah, saying,
13 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Go and tell the men of Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, Will ye not receive instruction to hearken to my words? saith the LORD.
14 The words of Jonadab the son of Rechab, that he commanded his sons not to drink wine, are performed; for unto this day they drink none, but obey their father's commandment: notwithstanding I have spoken unto you, rising early and speaking; but ye hearkened not unto me.
15 I have sent also unto you all my servants the prophets, rising up early and sending them, saying, Return ye now every man from his evil way, and amend your doings, and go not after other gods to serve them, and ye shall dwell in the land which I have given to you and to your fathers: but ye have not inclined your ear, nor hearkened unto me.
16 Because the sons of Jonadab the son of Rechab have performed the commandment of their father, which he commanded them; but this people hath not hearkened unto me:
17 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will bring upon Judah and upon all the inhabitants of Jerusalem all the evil that I have pronounced against them: because I have spoken unto them, but they have not heard; and I have called unto them, but they have not answered.
18 And Jeremiah said unto the house of the Rechabites, Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Because ye have obeyed the commandment of Jonadab your father, and kept all his precepts, and done according unto all that he hath commanded you:
19 Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Jonadab the son of Rechab shall not want a man to stand before me for ever.
The above is an example of an oral tradition that God found pleasing. Now do you suppose that the traditions of the Rechabites should become binding upon all, in order to be an Israelite in good standing before God? God forbid. I enjoy my house thank you. However I do subscribe to the no (alcoholic) wine portion of the Rechabite Tradition. I think my tradition is also pleasing to God. But God would become displeased with me, if I were to teach my tradition as a requirement to salvation/sanctification. I see the Jewish Oral Law no different so long as it doesn’t make the Laws of God of no effect.
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Post by jimmie on Sept 8, 2010 10:05:30 GMT -8
The link that you provided proposes that the soul is a combination of the body and spirit. If that is the case how can the body be destroyed with out destroying the soul?
Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
And how can the spirit be divided form the soul?
Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
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Post by jimmie on Aug 30, 2010 13:59:35 GMT -8
How does Jer 3:8 differ from Lev 7:27 “ Whatsoever soul it be that eateth any manner of blood, even that soul shall be cut off from his people.”
God has merely implemented that which he had decreed. Those souls of Israel were cut off/divorced from God because they wouldn’t accept his gift of salvation or covering of their sins against His law. Also, I believe this to be a “snap-shot” in time. The bill of divorcement only covered that portion of Israel that was alive at that time. I.e. Jacob didn’t get the decree, else God is not the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
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Post by jimmie on Aug 23, 2010 9:47:31 GMT -8
"The flame ascended and encircled itself with the Left, and the drop ascended and encircled itself with the Right. They then crossed and changed places, going up and down alternately until they were closely interlocked, and there issued from between them a full wind. Then those two sides were made one, and the wind was set between them and they were entwined with one another, and so there was harmony above and harmony below; the grade was firmly established,..."
seems like a discription of the the pagan semble of Taoism. I understand the words. Maybe I am just connecting them to the wrong symbols. I just don’t see God in those terms. Good and evil are not parts of the same God.
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Post by jimmie on Aug 20, 2010 14:05:11 GMT -8
Deut 22:9 appears to be an injunction to planting field crops in a vineyard. Grape vines imped the growth of vegetables and grains. Pliny the Younger wrote of this some 2000 years ago. What a johnny-come-lately.
I will post more on this latter.
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Tithe
Aug 19, 2010 11:58:45 GMT -8
Post by jimmie on Aug 19, 2010 11:58:45 GMT -8
I too have been wondering about the tithe. When I was in the state church (baptist church licensed by the state) which claimed to replace the priesthood and thus due the tithe, I gave 10% of my income faithfully. But now not being attached to a local assembly, I have decided to use my tithe for attending feast celebrations and helping others who are not as financially blessed as I am to attend feasts. So in a manner I eat the tithe and what I can’t eat I give to others to eat. This approach is based upon the following scriptures.
Deut. 12:17 Thou mayest not eat within thy gates the tithe of thy corn, or of thy wine, or of thy oil, or the firstlings of thy herds or of thy flock, nor any of thy vows which thou vowest, nor thy freewill offerings, or heave offering of thine hand:
18 But thou must eat them before the LORD thy God in the place which the LORD thy God shall choose, thou, and thy son, and thy daughter, and thy manservant, and thy maidservant, and the Levite that is within thy gates: and thou shalt rejoice before the LORD thy God in all that thou puttest thine hands unto.
19 Take heed to thyself that thou forsake not the Levite as long as thou livest upon the earth.
20 When the LORD thy God shall enlarge thy border, as he hath promised thee, and thou shalt say, I will eat flesh, because thy soul longeth to eat flesh; thou mayest eat flesh, whatsoever thy soul lusteth after.
21 If the place which the LORD thy God hath chosen to put his name there be too far from thee, then thou shalt kill of thy herd and of thy flock, which the LORD hath given thee, as I have commanded thee, and thou shalt eat in thy gates whatsoever thy soul lusteth after.22 Even as the roebuck and the hart is eaten, so thou shalt eat them: the unclean and the clean shall eat of them alike.
23 Only be sure that thou eat not the blood: for the blood is the life; and thou mayest not eat the life with the flesh.
24 Thou shalt not eat it; thou shalt pour it upon the earth as water.
25 Thou shalt not eat it; that it may go well with thee, and with thy children after thee, when thou shalt do that which is right in the sight of the LORD.
26 Only thy holy things which thou hast, and thy vows, thou shalt take, and go unto the place which the LORD shall choose.
27 And thou shalt offer thy burnt offerings, the flesh and the blood, upon the altar of the LORD thy God: and the blood of thy sacrifices shall be poured out upon the altar of the LORD thy God, and thou shalt eat the flesh.
Deut. 14:22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
23 And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.
24 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee:
25 Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose:
26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,
Deut:26:12 When thou hast made an end of tithing all the tithes of thine increase the third year, which is the year of tithing, and hast given it unto the Levite, the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, that they may eat within thy gates, and be filled;
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Post by jimmie on Aug 17, 2010 14:21:40 GMT -8
Tonga,
Why don't you use a "zebaa" as an avtar. Great cartoon.
Jimmie
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Post by jimmie on Aug 10, 2010 13:55:05 GMT -8
I am unfamiliar with the missionary/anti-missionary conflict. So I searched for anti-missionary site and the opening statement of the first web sight was: We Jews refer to them as "missionaries." We Jews respect Christians who maintain the doctrines of their belief, but we do not accept anyone's "right" to proselytize. That struck me as being vary odd. How can the Jewish nation bless all nations if there isn’t some form of Proselytizing. Gen 18:18 Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him? One of the articles lists five ways that Jesus (Yeshua) broke the law (  ). The “funny” thing was that with one exception, I have heard entire sermons were the preacher makes the same claims of Jesus (Yeshua) intentionally breaking the law to show that it is irrelevant to the New Covenant. So I guess I understand how Jews get the idea that Jesus (Yeshua) was not the Messiah. I would like to look at one example in detail here. Did the disciples break the Law ( ) when they eat corn on the sabbath? Luke 6:1 And it came to pass on the second sabbath after the first, that he went through the corn fields; and his disciples plucked the ears of corn, and did eat, rubbing them in their hands. 2 And certain of the Pharisees said unto them, Why do ye that which is not lawful to do on the sabbath days? 3 And Jesus answering them said, Have ye not read so much as this, what David did, when himself was an hungered, and they which were with him; 4 How he went into the house of God, and did take and eat the showbread, and gave also to them that were with him; which it is not lawful to eat but for the priests alone? 5 And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath. In the sermon to which I spoke of, the preacher said that the disciples were indeed breaking the Sabbath law that forbid work. They reaped, (plucked), thrashed (rubbing in hands), and they ground (chewed) the grain. I guess if you take this line of thinking to its’ conclusion they also stole. It wasn’t their standing corn. However the law expressly gives the right to eat of his neighbor’s fields: Deut 23:25 When thou comest into the standing corn of thy neighbour, then thou mayest pluck the ears with thine hand; but thou shalt not move a sickle unto thy neighbour's standing corn. It is plain from the above scripture that the disciples in no way broke the Law ( ) when they ate. This law of mercy is not voided on the sabbath. Jesus chose the example of David eating the show bread to highlight what the Pharisees lacked, which is the waiter maters of the law ( ). Matt. 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. |
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Post by jimmie on Aug 5, 2010 10:33:21 GMT -8
I could follow the first two paragraphs. Did Jesus restore the priesthood of the first born?
The second two seemed like a discription of the Chinese concept of Yin and Yang.
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Post by jimmie on Jul 28, 2010 14:00:45 GMT -8
Mark,
Did you use LULU to publish your book? I have almost completed a book and am looking for a way to get it published. I have never done any thing like that.
Jimmie
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Post by jimmie on Jul 8, 2010 9:58:23 GMT -8
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). The “funny” thing was that with one exception, I have heard entire sermons were the preacher makes the same claims of Jesus (Yeshua) intentionally breaking the law to show that it is irrelevant to the New Covenant. So I guess I understand how Jews get the idea that Jesus (Yeshua) was not the Messiah. I would like to look at one example in detail here. Did the disciples break the Law (
