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Post by David Ben Yosef on Jun 13, 2010 1:18:28 GMT -8
Many Bible believers have been taught to believe that when they die their disembodied spirit either goes to Heaven, or Hell. Unfortunately, that belief is not Biblical in the least. Here's a paper I ran across when looking for something for a member here to study: LINKShalom |
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Post by David Ben Yosef on Aug 12, 2010 21:20:57 GMT -8
I'm surprised that nobody has commented on this topic thus far. No comments at all people?
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Post by jimmie on Sept 8, 2010 10:05:30 GMT -8
The link that you provided proposes that the soul is a combination of the body and spirit. If that is the case how can the body be destroyed with out destroying the soul?
Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
And how can the spirit be divided form the soul?
Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
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Post by ronshua on Mar 4, 2013 2:10:34 GMT -8
Greetings Saints , What Happens When We Die? What does the Author of life say ?
Mattityahu 7
Orthodox Jewish Bible (OJB)
Judge not lest you be judged.
2 For with what gezar din (verdict) you judge, you will be judged, and with what measure you measure, it will be measured to you.
Lukas 6:37 Judge not, lest you be judged. And do not condemn, and by no means may you be condemned. If you pardon with mechila (forgiveness), you will be pardoned with selicha (forgiveness).
John 5:24-26
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
24 `Verily, verily, I say to you -- He who is hearing my word, and is believing Him who sent me, hath life age-during, and to judgment he doth not come, but hath passed out of the death to the life.
25 `Verily, verily, I say to you -- There cometh an hour, and it now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God, and those having heard shall live;
26 for, as the Father hath life in himself, so He gave also to the Son to have life in himself,
" before the beginning of time "
2 Timothy 1:9
New International Version (NIV)
9 He has saved us and called us to a holy life—not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time,
Titus 1:2
New International Version (NIV)
2 in the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time,
Luke 20:36 for neither are they able to die any more -- for they are like messengers -- and they are sons of God, being sons of the rising again.
37 `And that the dead are raised, even Moses shewed at the Bush, since he doth call the Lord, the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob;
38 and He is not a God of dead men, but of living, for all live to Him.'
Mark 12:24 And Jesus answering said to them, `Do ye not because of this go astray, not knowing the Writings, nor the power of God?
25 for when they may rise out of the dead, they neither marry nor are they given in marriage, but are as messengers who are in the heavens.
26 `And concerning the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the Book of Moses (at The Bush), how God spake to him, saying, I [am] the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob;
27 he is not the God of dead men, but a God of living men; ye then go greatly astray.'
Romans 6:3 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.
John 11:25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; 26 and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?”
Conclusion .
If you judge , you will be judged the same . If you don't judge , you wont be .
This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time
and the God of Jacob; He is not a God of dead men, but of living, for all live to Him .
Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?
If you believe in Jesus , you will never die .
Hebrews 9: But he has appeared once for all at the culmination of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27 Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, 28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.
1 Corinthians 15: 22 for even as in Adam all die, so also in the Christ all shall be made alive,
23 and each in his proper order, a first-fruit Christ, afterwards those who are the Christ's, in his presence,
Young's Literal Translation
What Happens When We Die?
Believers will open their eyes and will be in Paradise for ever more . In communion with our Almighty .
Peace .
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Post by maranguape on Aug 19, 2018 17:39:51 GMT -8
Many Bible believers have been taught to believe that when they die their disembodied spirit either goes to Heaven, or Hell. Unfortunately, that belief is not Biblical in the least. Here's a paper I ran across when looking for something for a member here to study: LINKShalom You are right David, Heaven or Hell is not Biblical at all. When we die, we are taken to Sheol, the eternal home of the dead. (Psalm 49:12,20) JPS King David said that once dead, no one will ever return from Sheol aka the grave. (II Samuel 12:23) Now, as for the soul is concerned, we don't have a soul. We are souls, each one of us is a soul. Soul is the combination of the breath of life with the body. What is soul? When HaShem formed man from the dust of the earth, He breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living soul. (Genesis 2:7) To become is to be. Therefore, we are living souls. At the end, when one passes away, the body goes back to the dust and the breath of life simply returns to HaShem Who gave it. (Ecclesiastes 12:7) |
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Post by maranguape on Aug 19, 2018 17:59:56 GMT -8
The link that you provided proposes that the soul is a combination of the body and spirit. If that is the case how can the body be destroyed with out destroying the soul? Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. And how can the spirit be divided form the soul? Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. And indeed, the soul is a combination of the body and the breath of life aka spirit. Your question is superb! With the destruction of the body, the breath of life is gone which means that the person is dead. We don't have souls; we are souls. Man became a soul when HaShem breathed the breath of life into his body. Hence, we are simply the combination of the body with the breath of life which is called soul. (Genesis 2:7) When man dies, the body is dead and the breath of life is gone. The breath of life is not a living being but simply what the body needs to be a soul aka a living person. |
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Post by Elizabeth on Aug 19, 2018 19:21:13 GMT -8
Many Bible believers have been taught to believe that when they die their disembodied spirit either goes to Heaven, or Hell. Unfortunately, that belief is not Biblical in the least. Here's a paper I ran across when looking for something for a member here to study: LINKShalom You are right David, Heaven or Hell is not Biblical at all. When we die, we are taken to Sheol, the eternal home of the dead. (Psalm 49:12,20) JPS King David said that once dead, no one will ever return from Sheol aka the grave. (II Samuel 12:23) Now, as for the soul is concerned, we don't have a soul. We are souls, each one of us is a soul. Soul is the combination of the breath of life with the body. What is soul? When HaShem formed man from the dust of the earth, He breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living soul. (Genesis 2:7) To become is to be. Therefore, we are living souls. At the end, when one passes away, the body goes back to the dust and the breath of life simply returns to HaShem Who gave it. (Ecclesiastes 12:7) Then how would you understand 1 Kings 2? Where was Elijah taken to in the chariot of fire having never died in 1 Kings 2? I think in every version I've read it says he was taken to heaven. "As they were walking along and talking, behold, a chariot of fire and horses of fire separated the two of them, and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." 1 Kings 2:11 |
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Post by alon on Aug 19, 2018 21:02:18 GMT -8
And indeed, the soul is a combination of the body and the breath of life aka spirit. Your question is superb! With the destruction of the body, the breath of life is gone which means that the person is dead. We don't have souls; we are souls. Man became a soul when HaShem breathed the breath of life into his body. Hence, we are simply the combination of the body with the breath of life which is called soul. (Genesis 2:7) When man dies, the body is dead and the breath of life is gone. The breath of life is not a living being but simply what the body needs to be a soul aka a living person. Interesting. And for once I found a Christian reference book that seems to get it right. Here's an excerpt: I learned the word as "nefesh," or "nephesh," but other than that would you say this is a fairly accurate assessment? Of course Yeshua did what ha'moshiach was supposed to do and explained things a little better: Luk 16:22a DBY- And it came to pass that the poor man died, and that he was carried away by the angels into the bosom of Abraham.
Mat 10:28 DBY- And be not afraid of those who kill the body, but cannot kill the soul; but fear rather him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Luk 23:43 DBY- And Jesus said to him, Verily I say to thee, To-day shalt thou be with me in paradise.These verses and passages are why we believe that man does have an immortal soul. And this does not go against the TNK. In fact, it fits with  . Because if man was made in the image of the Almighty, and He had a Spirit that was active at creation, then so should man have a spirit which, though part of him can exist outside the confines of the body. We believe that our souls will be reunited with our physical bodies at the resurrection, although those who believe in Yeshua will have much better bodies. This includes those who died before but believed in the promise of a Messiah and who worshiped El Elohe Yisroel alone: Dan 12:2 JPS Tanakh 1917- And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to reproaches and everlasting abhorrence.
I'm not really sure where Judaism stands on the resurrection. Perhaps you could enlighten us. Dan C |
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