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Post by jimmie on Sept 9, 2015 14:03:22 GMT -8
alon, Thanks for referencing this thread. It gives me an opportunity to address some of my comments. This one in particular. If the KJV has errors in it, then the whole lump is leavened and unfit for consumption by it own admission. Is there any bible/document which you fill does not have error in it? Jimmie My new and improved view of the KJV can be found here. jesus-is-lord.com/pref1611.htmI no longer view the KJV through the eyes of my brand of KJV-onlyism. If the translators say the KJV is an adequate translation, not a perfect one, a translation to take its’ place among other good translations and a translation that they expect to be improved upon. I will take them at their word. Though I have never knowingly condemned the use of other translations as a true believer in KJV-onlyism would, don’t expect me to discard my KJV for another any time soon. Nor will I cease defending the KJV or any other translation that is being condemned unjustly. Well shoot! Now I can’t use that old cliché about thinking I was wrong once but was mistaken. |
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Post by jimmie on Sept 8, 2015 7:41:28 GMT -8
In addition to the months listed by alon the following month names can also be found in the Bible:
The first month: Nisan (Neh 2:1, Est 3:7)
The third month: Sivan (Est. 8:9)
The ninth month: Chislea (Zech. 7:1, Neh 1.1)
The tenth month: Tebeth (Est. 2:16)
The eleventh month: Sebat (Zech. 1:7)
The twelfth month: Adar (Est. 8:12, 9:1, 15, 17, 18, 21, Ezra 6:15)
The twelfth month: Elul (Neh 6:15)
In most cases when the name of a month is used it is also numbered. Throughout the Bible months are primarily numbered, see the flood story and I Chor 27:2-15 for examples.
An interesting side note: Four of our modern day months are also numbered. The 9th through 12th months:
September: From Latin meaning Seventh month (roughly Tishri the seventh month on the Jewish calendar)
October: From Latin meaning eighth month (roughly Heshvan the eighth month on the Jewish calendar)
November: From Latin meaning ninth month (roughly Kislev the ninth month on the Jewish calendar)
December: From Latin meaning tenth month (roughly Tevet the tenth month on the Jewish calendar)
If we want to follow scripture we should number the months and use names for months only when conversing with someone who may not be familiar with the numbering of months laid out by scripture.
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Post by jimmie on Sept 3, 2015 5:37:21 GMT -8
Their use of the word "faith" (Hebrews 4:2) seems a bit week. Even Strongs, which tends to lean to the Catholic definition and understanding of words, depicts a more stringent understanding of what the Greek "pistis" connotes.
Dan C[/quote] Faith from Latin "to trust" 1. The confident belief in the truth value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing. 2. Loyalty to a person or thing; allegiance: 3.Belief and trust in God, religious conviction. Their use of the word "faith" seems reasonable to me. |
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Post by jimmie on Aug 31, 2015 4:42:22 GMT -8
You are in my prayers as well.
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Post by jimmie on Aug 18, 2015 5:14:33 GMT -8
My 21 year old son was on a bike and was hit by a pickup. Broke is left arm, leg and pelvis. Also lost his left pinky finger. It will be 12 weeks before he can standup. Your prayers would be greatly appreciated.
jimmie
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Post by jimmie on Aug 6, 2015 6:00:38 GMT -8
When the KJV was translated, those words may have been understood as your definitions say. And the definitions are still correct; however in modern usage the words have taken on decidedly slanted connotations. That is why I didn't say it absolutely should have been translated one way; just that modern translators, knowing how these words are perceived could have done a better job. I'll say this here and now, that looking at most of what is being done to Bible translations now I suspect many of these translators intentionally pick the words to mislead, and many more just don't care. The point is part of the reason we are in the mess we are in is people are being misled by false doctrine in churches everywhere, in part due to inept translators. And what I condemn the translators for is being at worst liars, and at best intellectually lazy! Dan C [/font][/quote] Carl Reed, an early mentor of mine, once told me, “Doctrines are made of ideas. Ideas of sentences. And sentences of words. Allow your enemy to define your words, you will lose.” Thus I refuse to use words as applied in modern usage with their slanted connotations, when reading scripture. As a judge is supposed to determine the original intent of the writer(s) of a contract/constitution, so too am I supposed to determine the original intent of the translator(s)/writer(s) of scripture. The point is part of the reason we are in the mess we are in with people being misled by false doctrine in churches everywhere, is in part due to inept readers/listeners. And what I condemn readers/listeners for is being at worst liars, and at best intellectually lazy! If we put the two parts together, maybe we will come up with “the blind leading the blind.” |
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Post by jimmie on Aug 5, 2015 14:36:18 GMT -8
alon,
Chamberlin was a “peace declarer”. He said “Peace. Peace.” When there was no peace. Churchill was a “peace maker.”
As I have said a thousand ere a hundred times, “words can and often do have more than one meaning.”
Meek 1. Showing patience and humility; gentle.
2. Easily imposed upon; submissive.
The work “meek” comes from the Old Norse and means “soft”. “A soft answer turns away wrath.” and is balanced by “An Angry Countenance Drives Away Backbiters.”
Humble 1. Marked by meekness or modesty in behavior, attitude, or spirit.
2. Showing deferential or submissive respect.
3. Of low rank or station.
Humble comes from the Latin “humus” or “ground”.
I fail to see why you condemn the translators for using “meek” and propose “humble” instead. They both carry essentially the same meanings. Both using the other in its’ definition.
garrett,
Christ and his disciples were communal. They had a common bag for their money and bought all their needs from that bag. The early church, too was communal or held all of their possessions in common. This served them well, when the Romans sieged Jerusalem. The Plymouth Pilgrims were communal for a time also. The problem with the Marxism brand of communist is “force.” They compel everyone to join the commune. Whereas Christian communes are voluntary. i.e. The rich young ruler could join or not. He chose not to join and went his own way.
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Post by jimmie on Jul 15, 2015 10:05:56 GMT -8
Job 2:13
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Post by jimmie on Jul 9, 2015 13:15:47 GMT -8
[quote author=" alon" source="/post/19162/thread" timestamp="1436465660 Alternatively there could be some deeper, hidden meaning (Hebrew "sod"). Dan C[/font] [/quote] I think you go into this in depth some where. But I can't find it. My knowledge of "PRaDeS" is limited so if I find that thread, I might post there instead of here. |
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Post by jimmie on Jul 9, 2015 12:57:18 GMT -8
So you believe the Bible tells us we should practice self mutilation. I guess my next question would be "What parts have you cut off?" Not the same thing at all. Not even close. These verses do not deal with self mutilation, but the penalties for mutilating others; "as he hath done, so shall it be done to him" is clearly someone else doing it, not "self." Dan C [/font] [/quote] Can you show me a case of those OT penalties being carried out? Penalties are used as a deterrent to actions. The sins that disciples commit can lead less mature believers to sin also. This explains why the emphasis is on the external hand/foot/eye and not the heart. A disciple can not lead a weaker believer to sin by wickedness in the heart only; it has to be acted out so as to be seen. Thus the severity of the penalties for offending with the hand/eye/foot. |
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Post by jimmie on Jul 9, 2015 8:10:05 GMT -8
Matt 5: 27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: 28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. 29And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. 30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Matt 18: 7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh! 8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire. 9And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.
Mark 9: 42 And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea. 43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: 44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. 45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: 46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. 47And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
The above words are not hyperbole nor do they obfuscate any meaning but are a restatement of the words below. We should not have pity on our own shortcomings. There is a price for offences.
Ex 21: 23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life. 24Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
Lev 24: 19 And if a man cause a blemish in his neighbour; as he hath done, so shall it be done to him; 20Breach for breach, eye for eye, tooth for tooth: as he hath caused a blemish in a man, so shall it be done to him again.
Deut 19: 21And thine eye shall not pity; but life shall go for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.
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Post by jimmie on Jun 30, 2015 14:51:01 GMT -8
For the life of me, I don’t understand why the gays want state sanctioned unions/marriages. Why would anyone want to pay the government a fee/tax for the union/marriage then have to pay the government a fee/tax to dissolve it? Plus have to pay an attorney to navigate the legal system. And then the government still gets to decide how to divide up the remainder of the assets. Who in their right mind would want to join such a system? I guess it is good business for members of the government and the Bar Association. One should always be careful what one asks for. Because one might just get it.
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Post by jimmie on Jun 29, 2015 7:45:42 GMT -8
Blue Laws vs. God’s Laws
The Puritan’s believed that Jesus abolished the law, however the law contained moral lessons so they would implement the law in some form any way. They implemented Sabbath laws as first day blue laws. Thus no purchases on first day. Which has since been whittled down to no alcohol purchases on first day.
Daniel would not drink the wine form the king because it would defile him. What would make wine, a form of grapes defile one. Blood, isinglass (unclean fish bladder), gelatin, alginate, and for Passover hydrated yeast are used as “finings” in the wine making process. This sheds some light on the charge the Jews used the blood of gentiles during Passover. They don’t use pig blood so they must use human blood as finings in making wine.
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Post by jimmie on Jun 19, 2015 14:25:40 GMT -8
Welcome Yedidyah!
I am somewhat a student of name meanings. Jasper is Persian for treasure. Yedidyah of course is Hebrew for beloved by the Lord. That would make you a treasure of the Lord. I was wondering if you selected your Hebrew name on that basis.
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Post by jimmie on Jun 19, 2015 9:18:52 GMT -8
Ex 34:2 And he received them at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool, after he had made it a molten calf: and they said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.
The blending of Jewish tradition and Christian tradition would be fashioning our own god/religion as was done with the molten calf. And thus would not be pleaseing to God.
Our goal is simply:
Deut 5:32 Ye shall observe to do therefore as the LORD your God hath commanded you: ye shall not turn aside to the right hand or to the left.
Deut 28:14 And thou shalt not go aside from any of the words which I command thee this day, to the right hand, or to the left, to go after other gods to serve them.
Matt 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
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If the KJV has errors in it, then the whole lump is leavened and unfit for consumption by it own admission. Is there any bible/document which you fill does not have error in it?
