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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 28, 2015 16:19:58 GMT -8
When you finally find Kosher wine and decide to stock up only to discover that you can't buy it on a Sunday. I had to stand there and put each bottle back one by one as the clinking sound kept a tally. After I recovered from the  and found myself wineless, I wished I had asked the sales lady, "what would Jesus do?" |
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Post by Questor on Jun 28, 2015 17:38:33 GMT -8
When you finally find Kosher wine and decide to stock up only to discover that you can't buy it on a Sunday. I had to stand there and put each bottle back one by one as the clinking sound kept a tally. After I recovered from the and found myself wineless, I wished I had asked the sales lady, "what would Jesus do?" |
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Post by alon on Jun 29, 2015 0:09:05 GMT -8
Just one of the many things we'll have to change when we take over. 
Dan  C
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 29, 2015 5:07:10 GMT -8
I don't know for sure, but there is precedent, that he would have made sure I got wine (maybe some bread or fish too.)  |
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Post by jimmie on Jun 29, 2015 7:45:42 GMT -8
Blue Laws vs. God’s Laws
The Puritan’s believed that Jesus abolished the law, however the law contained moral lessons so they would implement the law in some form any way. They implemented Sabbath laws as first day blue laws. Thus no purchases on first day. Which has since been whittled down to no alcohol purchases on first day.
Daniel would not drink the wine form the king because it would defile him. What would make wine, a form of grapes defile one. Blood, isinglass (unclean fish bladder), gelatin, alginate, and for Passover hydrated yeast are used as “finings” in the wine making process. This sheds some light on the charge the Jews used the blood of gentiles during Passover. They don’t use pig blood so they must use human blood as finings in making wine.
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Post by garrett on Jul 20, 2015 6:11:48 GMT -8
When you finally find Kosher wine and decide to stock up only to discover that you can't buy it on a Sunday. I had to stand there and put each bottle back one by one as the clinking sound kept a tally. After I recovered from the and found myself wineless, I wished I had asked the sales lady, "what would Jesus do?" Elizabeth - the lady would have told you that Sunday is the Sabbath, which is why the wine store is closed (and Jesus would approve)....obviously! garrett |
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Post by Elizabeth on Jul 20, 2015 16:01:44 GMT -8
Exactly... and meanwhile on aisle two, they were probably handing out pork sausage samples. |
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Post by lou on Dec 24, 2015 23:10:59 GMT -8
Why are christians knowing christmas and easter have pagan roots so adamant about celebrating these? Not to mention keeping teir pagan symbols. They will fight and get angry if you try to tell them the truth. Baffling
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Post by rivkah on Dec 25, 2015 5:53:51 GMT -8
i agree with all that Has been said but let us not forget to look at ourselves too in this matter. The scripture states that we should look at our selfs and be careful as the measure of judgement we use - we shall be judged by that. Not saying it's bad to judge of course but I've seen many "messianic" people be just as legalistic and unloving regarding  keeping. Like some of the pharisees who were self-righteous because they kept the while others did not keep it as well as them. Yeshua warned them over and over about the weightier matters of without neglecting the smaller. If we talk to our spiritual brothers and sisters in a spirit of love, gentleness, and compassion they are much more likely to listen and even if they don't at least we can have a clear conscious. Scripture states that when we catch a brother and a trespass that we should approach them with the spirit of gentleness. This same concept of gentleness needs to be applied when talking regarding as well. Frankly a lot of Christians keep the weighter matters in much better than many Messianics. Just as Christians fall into a stance of hyper grace we messianic can fall into the stance of hyper or legalism. Lately I have been learning a lot about giving Grace to myself and others. Sure is a process |
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 25, 2015 6:06:47 GMT -8
Why are christians knowing christmas and easter have pagan roots so adamant about celebrating these? Not to mention keeping teir pagan symbols. They will fight and get angry if you try to tell them the truth. Baffling I think we are caught contending with their "war on Christmas" indignation, which seems to characterize a lot that is wrong with Christianity to me. They have taken an unbiblical pagan based practice and turned it into a holy war. Meanwhile, they have done more than anyone to destroy what is holy regarding the feasts. They won't hear the truth because they are looking to argue on this. They see the world out to get them over these pagan symbols and traditions, for example, the Starbucks cups. It's really  . I wouldn't argue with them, and don't take it personally. I just speak the truth to defend myself and do my best to walk according to biblical instructions. That speaks more than words that they simply refuse to hear anyway. Some may be able to have the conversation, but in general with Christians, I think actions speak louder than words. Christianity is the loudest religion in our society so it's easy for reason to be drowned out in a group think mentality. To put it plainly, Christians don't know what battle to fight. I think that's where we offer the most help in showing them how to reclaim what is holy just by seeking to live it. The world won't feel so threatening and their priorities clear when they walk with G-d and know His peace. Nice to hear from you again. I hope you are well. |
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 25, 2015 8:10:58 GMT -8
i agree with all that Has been said but let us not forget to look at ourselves too in this matter. The scripture states that we should look at our selfs and be careful as the measure of judgement we use - we shall be judged by that. Not saying it's bad to judge of course but I've seen many "messianic" people be just as legalistic and unloving regarding keeping. Like some of the pharisees who were self-righteous because they kept the while others did not keep it as well as them. Yeshua warned them over and over about the weightier matters of without neglecting the smaller. If we talk to our spiritual brothers and sisters in a spirit of love, gentleness, and compassion they are much more likely to listen and even if they don't at least we can have a clear conscious. Scripture states that when we catch a brother and a trespass that we should approach them with the spirit of gentleness. This same concept of gentleness needs to be applied when talking regarding as well. Frankly a lot of Christians keep the weighter matters in much better than many Messianics. Just as Christians fall into a stance of hyper grace we messianic can fall into the stance of hyper or legalism. Lately I have been learning a lot about giving Grace to myself and others. Sure is a process I started this thread as kind of a funny observation. The irony of Messisnic believers often being accused of legalism while there is a law restricting us based on Christian ideas, and those ideas are inconsistent with actual biblical law. It isn't reflective of actually conversations and approaches we would take in addressing people; just a humorous observation so no worries. Perhaps I should have started it in the jokes thread. Jimmy did make some useful comments that I found informative though. |
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Post by lou on Dec 25, 2015 8:42:12 GMT -8
Why are christians knowing christmas and easter have pagan roots so adamant about celebrating these? Not to mention keeping teir pagan symbols. They will fight and get angry if you try to tell them the truth. Baffling I think we are caught contending with their "war on Christmas" indignation, which seems to characterize a lot that is wrong with Christianity to me. They have taken an unbiblical pagan based practice and turned it into a holy war. Meanwhile, they have done more than anyone to destroy what is holy regarding the feasts. They won't hear the truth because they are looking to argue on this. They see the world out to get them over these pagan symbols and traditions, for example, the Starbucks cups. It's really . I wouldn't argue with them, and don't take it personally. I just speak the truth to defend myself and do my best to walk according to biblical instructions. That speaks more than words that they simply refuse to hear anyway. Some may be able to have the conversation, but in general with Christians, I think actions speak louder than words. Christianity is the loudest religion in our society so it's easy for reason to be drowned out in a group think mentality. To put it plainly, Christians don't know what battle to fight. I think that's where we offer the most help in showing them how to reclaim what is holy just by seeking to live it. The world won't feel so threatening and their priorities clear when they walk with G-d and know His peace. Nice to hear from you again. I hope you are well. Elizabeth I truly value your wisdom in these post. You have a gift to teach. I could be more gentle though I can never be quiet. Teaching Messianic Jewish/G-d's ways to christians on a daily basis is trying yet rewarding when they start to grasp it. May the heavens always be open to you and yours. Shalom |
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Post by lou on Dec 25, 2015 11:02:17 GMT -8
The Word worship for the first time in the scriptures appears on mt. Moriah as Abraham offers Isaac, his soul. Our family is our blood, thus it is our soul. Christmas and others are all about family Sacrificing your soul to the Lord is what the true worship is. And YHWH demands it. And YHWH is righteous to restore what He demands. He alone is righteous. Christmas and the like are all family "holidays". Christians boast in their family comfort. This is their worship. They do not consciously sacrifice, but rather puff up their soul not realizing that they do this to offend God who sacrificed His soul that they may worship Him... Oh how I grieve in heart for the people whom He called to worship Him. Even so He did at the expense of Sacrificing Israel, whom He calls His firstborn son (ex. 4:22). But... we must move on. Because the righteous shall live by faith. My love to you and your households. Shalom to you all...
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Post by jimmie on Dec 28, 2015 14:45:20 GMT -8
[quote author=" Elizabeth" source="/post/19907/thread" timestamp="1451059858 Jimmy did make some useful comments that I found informative though.[/quote] Thanks for your kind words. |
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and found myself wineless, I wished I had asked the sales lady, "what would Jesus do?"
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. I wouldn't argue with them, and don't take it personally. I just speak the truth to defend myself and do my best to walk according to biblical instructions. That speaks more than words that they simply refuse to hear anyway. 
