Does God punish us if we break Sabbath?

[jimmie]

Luke 12:14 And he said unto him, Man, who made me a judge or a divider over you?

Man who made me a judge over your actions.

[mystic]

It's ok, I fully understand there is no written law about every situation which can arise on Sabbath so it's judgement calls with certain situations. While I contemplate on the farm situation I will be working on Outreach type situations on Saturday afternoons, maybe give free computer classes to the unfortunate.

[Elizabeth]

I'll just keep you in my prayers as you are learning and contemplating your decisions. It's hard to feel pulled in different directions and to be in a good frame of mind when the people around you aren't supportive.  

[mystic]

I appreciate that, it's impossible for me here in this household to be strict with a Sabbath life. it's noise and distractions and even when on a Saturday evening I want to go relax outside and listen to my music, there are people there and I have deal with them and listen to their debauchery. I can't stay inside my room for 24 hours and mostly sleep all day. I need to find something in line with Sabbath to do on Saturdays. Visiting the sick in a hospital would only do more harm than good to me.

[Elizabeth]

I think maybe you should revisit the idea of visiting the sick. I've considered visiting in nursing homes myself, but have held back because my difficulty is just showing up somewhere unannounced (as I received no follow up messages to the one I called) and I also feel I'll somehow be in the way even though my intention is to be kind and helpful.

Here's what we know about that idea though that gives it credibility.
*It is a literal commandment to visit the sick by Yeshua
*something we are told we can literally do for Him
* Yeshua Himself reached out to the sick on specifically the Sabbath
*it is fellowshiping with people who have a higher chance of being more thoughtful about spiritual things just because of their situation, so t's more likely we get to speak of G-d in the way we try to.
*it may be making ourselves available for someone's last chance to accept Yeshua.

I'm going to try again just because of what you posted as it caused me to think about it more, so I think maybe that's where G-d is leading things. We need a place to share Him more freely, and Sabbath is the hardest time to do what we're supposed to because our focus is stolen by the negativity around us. That's why I was personally drawn similarly as you. Besides having similar considerations as you previously, I am also suggesting this to you because I tend to have a punishing skeptical kind of logic - the thing you least want to do or is the hardest to do, is probably the thing you most should be doing. But that's just my imput because I have thought of a similar approach for myself. Maybe there's more to it than you think, and I just felt I needed to suggest that possibility.

[mystic]

Jul 6, 2019 14:48:43 GMT -8 Elizabeth said:

I think maybe you should revisit the idea of visiting the sick.  the thing you least want to do or is the hardest to do, is probably the thing you most should be doing.  

Major problem with this is how it will affect me dealing one on one with sick people. If I would be able to talk to someone who is sick, leave the hospital and not worry about that person then this would be easy. Unfortunately it works quite the opposite with me, I will not easily be able to let that person go until he/she should get better and we're not talking about only one person in this scenario.

Also, this will involve adhering to hospital rules and times of visit. 

[Elizabeth]

Fair enough. Perhaps there are limitations I'm not aware of regarding hospital rules and times or whatever, but I think you're being satanically undermined in your thought processes based on your reasoning for not doing it. It doesn't necessarily apply to you having to visit sick people. Maybe you really shouldn't do that because that's not what G-d wants you to do on Shabbat. Maybe there are conflicting issues about that. I don't know, but I still think your reasoning for not doing it is off because our calling is pretty much the opposite of where you're being led in your thinking processes. So here's some issues I see with your reasoning.

1) if it's a commandment, we don't get to choose based on feelings if we do it.
2) faith in G-d is being limited in your logic as He often calls us to do and get through things that without Him, we can't
3) in a tricky way your reasoning is about too much focus on others, but is actually causing you to focus more on yourself - that looks satanically influenced to me because that's how he twists things and kind of pins us down. If you consider the effects if we all did as you're being led, the problem then becomes more clear.

I'm not saying you're wrong about not going. I just think I'm seeing issues in your thought processes, and places where I think your walk with G-d is being undermined. I think it's going to hold you back if this is representative of how you think about things and make decisions more generally.

[mystic]

I think I can start with a Park close by and the farm, I would need to take public transportation though for ANY option even if visiting the sick.


Can anyone tell me if the ban to create a fire was specifically for the Jews not to cook anything and so would be ok for them to heat themselves only?

[alon]

Jul 13, 2019 7:48:50 GMT -8 mystic said:

I think I can start with a Park close by and the farm, I would need to take public transportation though for ANY option even if visiting the sick.


Can anyone tell me if the ban to create a fire was specifically for the Jews not to cook anything and so would be ok for them to heat themselves only?

I address the public transportation here:

theloveofgod.proboards.com/thread/4713/advice-chesed

Fire was used in most forms of creative work, and Shabbat is a day of rest. Heating fires were ok as long as they were stoked the 6th day and maintained. However if your fire goes out and it is cold enough to pose a health threat to you or your family, the higher mitzvah is to light a new fire so your family is ok. Contemporarily, if your pilot goes out relight it. If your electric heating malfunctions repair it. Don't freeze waiting for sundown!

Dan C