The Essence Of Mashiach...

[Blake]

Natanel brings up very good points. I was once driven from Messiah because I discovered through the scriptures that it was impossible for a man to be G-d.
Now I realize that the Messiah never claimed anything of the sort, and that it was false paganize teachers who came after him that made up the insidious lie.

A question that must be asked..... If Messiah was not G-d and you continue to worship him, are you not guilty of idolatry? Something the prophets warned about over and over again.

[Nachshon]

Here are some of my thoughts. "And the Miltha became flesh and dwelt among us and we saw his glory, the glory as the Only-Begotten who is from the Father who is full of grace and truth." Yukhanan 1:14 (Younan)
So Yeshua is the made flesh. We can agree on that, eh? So what is the ? Sha'ul tells us that all the writings are God-breathed when he wrote to Timothy. David says that it is perfect, in Psalm 19. According to Deuteronomy 30:19 it is life. According to I John 2, it is through that we know Father. What is ? Isn't it the very reflection of the nature of Father? I don't know that Yeshua is God made flesh. That doesn't make any sense. But He is the express image of Him. Yeshua sums up the essence of Father. I don't really know what I think, but I'm not really sure that either side is correct.

Shalom,
Nachshon

[Mark]

To ignore or deny the deity of Messiah Yeshua is to disregard the most compelling consistency between Old and New Testaments.

Yeshua is identified as YHWH
The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
(Isa 40:3 KJV)

For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Isaiah, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
(Mat 3:3 KJV)


Yeshua is called YHWH of glory
Lift up your heads, O ye gates; and be ye lift up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in. Who is this King of glory? The LORD strong and mighty, the LORD mighty in battle. Lift up your heads, O ye gates; even lift them up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in. Who is this King of glory? The LORD of hosts, he is the King of glory. Selah.
(Psa 24:7-10 KJV)

Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
(1Co 2:8 KJV)

My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.
(Jam 2:1 KJV)


Yeshua is called YHWH our righteousness
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
(Jer 23:5-6 KJV)

But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.
(1Co 1:30-31 KJV)

Yeshua is called YHWH above all
For thou, LORD, art high above all the earth: thou art exalted far above all gods.
(Psa 97:9 KJV)

He must increase, but I must decrease. He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.
(Joh 3:30-31 KJV)

Yeshua is YHWH the first and the last
Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
(Isa 44:6 KJV)

And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive forevermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
(Rev 1:17-18 KJV)

Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last. Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together. All ye, assemble yourselves, and hear; which among them hath declared these things? The LORD hath loved him: he will do his pleasure on Babylon, and his arm shall be on the Chaldeans. I, even I, have spoken; yea, I have called him: I have brought him, and he shall make his way prosperous. Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.
(Isa 48:12-16 KJV)

And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
(Rev 22:12-13 KJV)

Yeshua is called YHWH’s equal
Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.
(Zec 13:7 KJV)

Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
(Phi 2:6-8 KJV)

Yeshua is called YHWH of Hosts
In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple. Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly. And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.
(Isa 6:1-3 KJV)

These things said Isaiah, when he saw his glory, and spake of him.
(Joh 12:41 KJV)

Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread. And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offense to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
(Isa 8:13-14 KJV)

And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
(1Pe 2:8 KJV)


Yeshua is YHWH our Shepherd
Behold, the Lord GOD will come with strong hand, and his arm shall rule for him: behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him. He shall feed his flock like a shepherd: he shall gather the lambs with his arm, and carry them in his bosom, and shall gently lead those that are with young.
(Isa 40:10-11 KJV)

Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory forever and ever. Amen.
(Heb 13:20-21 KJV)

All things were created for the glory of Yeshua
The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
(Pro 16:4 KJV)

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
(Col 1:16-17 KJV)

His name is invoked as YHWH
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.
(Joe 2:32 KJV)

And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
(Act 2:21 KJV)

Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
(1Co 1:2 KJV)


Yeshua is identified as the Eternal God and Creator
I said, O my God, take me not away in the midst of my days: thy years are throughout all generations. Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands. They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed: But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end.
(Psa 102:24-27 KJV)

But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
(Heb 1:8-12 KJV)

Yeshua is described as Mighty God
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
(Isa 9:6 KJV)

and as the Great God and Savior
But I will have mercy upon the house of Judah, and will save them by the LORD their God, and will not save them by bow, nor by sword, nor by battle, by horses, nor by horsemen.
(Hos 1:7 KJV)

Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ;
(Tit 2:13 KJV)


and as God over all
Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever: the scepter of thy kingdom is a right scepter. Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
(Psa 45:6-7 KJV)

Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed forever. Amen.
(Rom 9:5 KJV)


As the true God
But the LORD is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation.
(Jer 10:10 KJV)

And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
(1Jo 5:20 KJV)

Yeshua is God the Living Word
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(Joh 1:1 KJV)



God, the judge
For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
(Ecc 12:14 KJV)

Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.
(1Co 4:5 KJV)

For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
(2Co 5:10 KJV)

I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
(2Ti 4:1 KJV)


He is Emmanuel
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
(Isa 7:14 KJV)

Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
(Mat 1:23 KJV)

He is King of kings and Lord of lords
For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:
(Deu 10:17 KJV)

And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
(Rev 1:5 KJV)

These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
(Rev 17:14 KJV)

He is the Holy One
There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.
(1Sa 2:2 KJV)

But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;
(Act 3:14 KJV)

He is unsearchable: equally as Abba Adonai
Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if if thou canst tell?
(Pro 30:4 KJV)

All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
(Mat 11:27 KJV)

He is Creator of all things
Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? there is no searching of his understanding.
(Isa 40:28 KJV)

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
(Joh 1:3 KJV)

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
(Col 1:16 KJV)

Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
(Heb 1:2 KJV)

He is the Supporter and Preserver of all things
Thou, even thou, art LORD alone; thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshipeth thee.
(Neh 9:6 KJV)

And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
(Col 1:17 KJV)

Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
(Heb 1:3 KJV)

Yeshua is Eternal
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
(Isa 9:6 KJV)

But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
(Mic 5:2 KJV)

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(Joh 1:1 KJV)

And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
(Col 1:17 KJV)

But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
(Heb 1:8-10 KJV)

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
(Rev 1:8 KJV)

He is Omnipotent
Gird thy sword upon thy thigh, O most mighty, with thy glory and thy majesty.
(Psa 45:3 KJV)

Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
(Phi 3:21 KJV)

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
(Rev 1:8 KJV)

He is the discerning the thoughts of the heart
Then hear thou in heaven thy dwelling place, and forgive, and do, and give to every man according to his ways, whose heart thou knowest; (for thou, even thou only, knowest the hearts of all the children of men;)
(1Ki 8:39 KJV)

And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, Who is this which speaketh blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone? But when Jesus perceived their thoughts, he answering said unto them, What reason ye in your hearts?
(Luk 5:21-22 KJV)

And the Spirit of the LORD fell upon me, and said unto me, Speak; Thus saith the LORD; Thus have ye said, O house of Israel: for I know the things that come into your mind, every one of them.
(Eze 11:5 KJV)

But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men, And needed not that any should testify of man: for he knew what was in man.
(Joh 2:24-25 KJV)

And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
(Rev 2:23 KJV)

He is unchangeable
For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
(Mal 3:6 KJV)

And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
(Heb 1:12 KJV)

Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today, and forever.
(Heb 13:8 KJV)

He is Husband of the Church
For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.
(Isa 54:5 KJV)

Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
(Eph 5:25-32 KJV)

For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee.
(Isa 62:5 KJV)

And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
(Rev 21:2 KJV)

And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will show thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
(Rev 21:9 KJV)

Yeshua is the object of divine worship
And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
(Act 7:59 KJV)

For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
(2Co 12:8-9 KJV)

And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
(Heb 1:6 KJV)

Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honor, and glory, and blessing.
(Rev 5:12 KJV)

Yeshua is the object of faith
Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
(Psa 2:12 KJV)

Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Zion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
(1Pe 2:6 KJV)

Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD. For he shall be like the heath in the desert, and shall not see when good cometh; but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, in a salt land and not inhabited. Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is.
(Jer 17:5-7 KJV)

Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
(Joh 14:1 KJV)

It is disappointing that the evidences of Messiah Yeshua’ s deity is not overwhelming to you. If we based our theology upon our ability to comprehend the Scriptures, then you may have an argument; but the nature and character of Adonai transcends our ability to comprehend. I believe Yeshua is God because the Scriptures, with overwhelming clarity, teach that this is so, regardless if it is beyond my ability to understand.

[Rick]

AWESOME!


well done Mark.

Luk 19:38-40 Saying, BARUCH HABAH, HaMelech B’SHEM ADONOI! Shalom b’Shomayim! And kavod in the Highest! [TEHILLIM 118:26] And some of the Perushim from the multitude said to him, Rabbi, rebuke your talmidim! And in reply he said, I say to you, if these will be silent, the avanim (stones) will cry out. [CHABAKUK 2:11]

[Pioneer]

It is disappointing that the evidences of Messiah Yeshua’ s deity is not overwhelming to you. If we based our theology upon our ability to comprehend the Scriptures, then you may have an argument; but the nature and character of Adonai transcends our ability to comprehend. I believe Yeshua is God because the Scriptures, with overwhelming clarity, teach that this is so, regardless if it is beyond my ability to understand.

I am well pleased you believe as you do! I am also sorry for your disappointment that I do not share your convictions. I have read every one of those scriptures and have not found God!
Again I ask; "Do you get a greater star in your crown?" Is there a scripture that says I will have a "Rusty old halo, skimpy white cloud and a robe so wooly it scratches." because I do not believe as you do? Tell me! Truely I have not found such a scripture.
If! A big IF! If you are proven to be right. Glory be to Jesus in the highest!
But on the other hand IF you are wrong! May God have mercy upon you, I pray he be lenient with you.
If anyone disparages Yeshua. , on him. But that man is not me! I love my gift, but I love the giver much more.
I have no intent to debate nor disparage your beliefs and I hope you can do likewise.

Shalom

[Mpossoff]

It is disappointing that the evidences of Messiah Yeshua’ s deity is not overwhelming to you. If we based our theology upon our ability to comprehend the Scriptures, then you may have an argument; but the nature and character of Adonai transcends our ability to comprehend. I believe Yeshua is God because the Scriptures, with overwhelming clarity, teach that this is so, regardless if it is beyond my ability to understand.

I agree. The nature and character of Adonai does transcend our ability to comprehend.

As His mercy is beyond our comprehension. His mercy is not like our mercy which honestly is not even close.

Marc

[R' Y'hoshua Moshe]

Shalom chaverim,

I also believe the scriptural evidence is overwhelming to the fact that Yeshua was the manifestation of Elohim in the flesh. We most be careful that in our attempt to please those in Rabbinic Judaism that we don't let our judgement be impared when it comes to reading the scripture that clearly declares something in opposition to the orthodox Rabbinic community. As we are approaching our seventh page on this thread we will end it here. It will be up to the reader to reread the seven sections of this thread to make up their own mind. If any truly new thoughts can be contributed please send me a personal message and I will consider re-opening the thread.

The following is a great article that I encourage all to read regarding this subject by the scholars at First Fruits Of Zion:

Unique & Incomprehensible

May Adonai bless you all in Yeshua's name,

Reuel