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Post by Pioneer on Jun 1, 2006 12:37:16 GMT -8
What are you saying? Yes, Virginia, there really is a Santa Claus.  It is okay to reveal your Christianity. In my computer it is GIGO, garbage in garbage out. I really thought we were to speak the language of  . So the was really nailed to the cross.!?? Is anyone else confussed? Shalom chaver. No, no, no. I think the whole thing was misunderstood... Did I really throw everything for a loop with my duckology?? We are agreeing with you that is eternal and not done away with, but by that same token are saying that we sometimes forget (even on purpose) that most of us have come out of Christianity ourselves and need to exercise patience with those who are still in it. Shalom I suppose that since we live in an all pants society, one didn't see a kindly reminder that the "ladies slip was showing". That was my first comment(knowing D0J is male). A Lady in my time would have thanked you for not letting all the world see the slip the whole world knew she was wearing. I am sorry my (chessed) was mistaken as criticism. Shalom |
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Post by Chizuk Emunah on Jun 1, 2006 12:49:08 GMT -8
No worries achi. Sometimes it's hard to communicate intent behind words that are written online.  |
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Post by Dogface Of Judah on Jun 1, 2006 14:14:36 GMT -8
Mucho, mucho, mucho patience with me please, yes yes. I a be learnin. Not so sure about certain things but i'm a lot slow bordering on retard.  G-d bless Ed |
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Post by inawe on Jun 6, 2006 8:20:25 GMT -8
DOJ....I can relate, as I was raised Baptist   I've been visiting this site 2 or 3 times a week since November of 2004. When I first arrived, I was...confused, to say the least. You see, I had read an article I found at yashanet.com entitled, "Not Subject To The Law Of G-d?". That article was like the water a man lost in the wilderness seeks. I read my Bible, and there were many, MANY things in the scriptures that seemed to point out doctrine flaws with the denomination of Christianity with which I was involved for most of my life. And the topic of the rapture was one of the first to set off red flags in my head as being out of line with what the scriptures say about it....about many teachings. The "once-saved-always-saved" school of thought also seemed to be at odds with The Word as well. Seemed too much like a get out of hell free card where one could be "saved" and dwell with the Father for all eternity, regardless of how one lives his life (but that's another thread). At first, I was confused (still am much of the time) and took certain statements personally,[when looking back, it is clear now that there was no ill will involved. I was just being reactionary , still clinging to my earlier beliefs]. After much prayer about all of this, I decided to be a lurker for a while. I had many, many questions that I was anxious to ask, but after searching through the volumes of earlier threads, I can generally find exactly what I was curious about. Didn't want to be redundant. If you look back at some past threads and messages, I think you'll find that much of this has been discussed over and over. I just had to search it out. The primary reason I bring all of this up is that I can relate with where you're coming from. It seems so BIG! And it turns out, it really is BIG! Please don't let yourself become frustrated. I comes slow, but if one really searches in faith, a ray of the truth eventually makes it's way through all of the erroneous teachings we've been burdened with for oh so long. Sorry for rambling. Here's what I initially signed in to say : Back in the 70's there was a Christian singer songwriter named Keith Green who initially got me searching for the TRUTH outside of what I'd been taught and wholly within the scriptures. I liked his pat answer whenever the topic of "the rapture" would arise in interviews. He let it be known that everything just might not be the way our Christian leaders lead us to believe. When asked if he thought it (the rapture) would occur pre or post, he always replied, "Pray for pre...but prepare for post". His statement set me on a path of seeking I still pray for the ability to follow to this day, every day. I'm not saying it wouldn't be a thrill to be caught up in the air just before hell breaks loose on earth...I just don't see where the Bible teaches that...at all! Many thanks to all who contribute to this forum. May G-d bless you all as you help spread the WORD about His TRUTH! still here still seeking still, inawe |
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Post by Dogface Of Judah on Jun 6, 2006 11:53:18 GMT -8
Thank you for the kind words of encouragement inawe.
I'm patiently learning. I do still have some disagreements on things but am searching for the truth. This forum is a real blessing.
Thank you all and G-d bless you and your family and friends.
Ed
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Jun 11, 2006 15:28:39 GMT -8
 Shalom aleychem chaverim, Reuel
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Post by Chizuk Emunah on Jun 13, 2006 3:51:45 GMT -8
Was wondering if someone was gonna pick up on that....  |
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Post by computergeek on Jun 30, 2006 10:19:23 GMT -8
Luke 21:36
Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and you may be able to stand before the Son of Man. NIV
What do you think this is talking about?
This is a good topic and I am loving the insight I am getting from this group.
Thanks
David
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Post by inthewind on Jul 6, 2006 11:33:29 GMT -8
Interesting topic. I have been all over the reservation on this one. First i didn't even know there was such a thing as a rapture. Then when I found out I thought it would be tomorrow and was ready to go. After studying and watching the news for the departure date I started thinking that maybe it would be mid-trib.
After getting into the "OT" and seeing what G_d really has to say, lining it up with the "NT", which is quite different from the "church's", I changed my dogmatic mind. (on almost everything)
I still hope for a pre, but, if I had to make a statement I would hold to post. The scripture doesn't seem to line up with a mass exodus of disappearing people.
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Post by computergeek on Jul 6, 2006 12:37:24 GMT -8
I do tend to agree with you that the rapture is post trib (every body at my church takes a deep breath when I say that) but, what parts of the OT point to a post trib? I do see it in the NT though.
Thanks
David
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Post by inthewind on Jul 7, 2006 9:57:08 GMT -8
As far as I understamd the pre trib view is proofed by the following: Enoch - walked with G_d and was not. Noah and his family taken before thre flood. Lot and his family taken out of Sodom. While these can be spring board texts I can't seem to find anything that specifically would indicate that we will be removed. I do see that we will be helped through it. It is good that this is not a point of saving doctrine. |
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Post by Mark on Jul 8, 2006 6:48:18 GMT -8
Yet, when Messiah teaches about the end of the age in Matthew 13, it is the tares that are first gathered to be burned. There is evidence for both sides. I'll commit to neither; but rather live in watchfulness for the coming of my King.
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Post by Nachshon on Jul 9, 2006 7:24:59 GMT -8
Personally, I don't believe in a rapture per-se. But like a friend of mine likes to say, if there is a glory train out of here, I have my ticket punched. To me, this issue is like debating what Happens after death. Go to sleep? Go to Heaven? Go to purgatory? Go to Hell for purification? I'm going to live in the here and the now. Tomorrow will bring it's own troubles.
Shalom,
David
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Post by Pioneer on Jul 9, 2006 8:22:57 GMT -8
Here is the vision of an "old man" Mt.24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken;
30 then will appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory;
31 and he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
The world will grow dark as the heavenly signs take place, a chill will turn to bitter cold, for days, three days or six days, at the end of this time a light will be seen in the East, every eye will rush out to see the returning of the Sun/son, then the angels will gather the elect from all the Earth and Seas, all who are alive and belong to God/I shall be, will meet him and the Elect/raised dead who are now alive, in the air and descend upon the Mount of Olives to be together with him forever. Amen!
Shalom
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Post by Yitzchak on Jul 9, 2006 9:10:37 GMT -8
While the rapture is an interesting subject to discuss and debate, I think far too much time is wasted on it.
When one studies the scriptures, they find that there is far more material regarding the establishment of G-d's Kingdom here on earth. For some reason, and of course it is the church again, we have this teaching in which the believer places more focus on escaping this world, then establishing G-d's Kingdom.
Shalom,
Yitzchak
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