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Post by Curt on Jun 28, 2004 13:58:45 GMT -8
To Loving Neighbor, Todah Yeshua, and Yochanah, Amen to the last three replies. I would like to add this verse to your replies. Revelation 14:12 "Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus." If your going to end up being a saint you must have these two criteria, keeping the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus. If you truly believe then the other two will follow.  |
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Yochanah
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Post by Yochanah on Jun 28, 2004 16:25:30 GMT -8
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Mar 29, 2005 17:52:04 GMT -8
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Post by Pioneer on Oct 31, 2005 15:13:18 GMT -8
Mr 13:13 and you will be hated by all for my name’s sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved. Mr 16:16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. Joh 10:9 I am the door; if any one enters by me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture. Being saved is so simple, so easy, it's childs play. Because some people want to make it their exclusive domain, they want it to be hard. If you believe Yeshua/Jesus's words you are saved! Salvation is the entry level of the kingdom of God! Believe his words! If you can read the gospels and believe his words. This is faith, faith comes by hearing or reading the word of God. After you attain faith/salvation you can sit down on your faith and remain saved. But if you read his words he says you need more than salvation, you need to work after you are saved, that is like be baptized, learn  , obey , serve Him as He wants to be served. Mt 5:20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Mt 7:21 ¶ "Not every one who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Mt 18:3 and said, "Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. So you can be saved, have eternal life and still be in outer darkness. But DO HIS WILL and enter the holy city by the gates. Mt 22:12 and he said to him, ‘Friend, how did you get in here without a wedding garment?’ And he was speechless. This man represents those who are saved, but not doing as expected, the King provided the wedding garment, all he had to do is put it on, but he for some reason or another didn't. Although saved he was bound hand and foot and thrown into "outer darkness." God provides all things! You need only to do with what He provides, what He wills! You are expected to go beyond your duty to recieve a "Medal of Honor". Mt 5:19 Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who DOES them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Which one of you want to be least in His Kingdom? |
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Nov 8, 2005 15:36:38 GMT -8
Is not faith with out works dead? Do not even the demons believe Yeshua’s words and tremble? So then, what is the difference between us and them? By the way, I agree that salvation is through “emunah”. In English it is “faith”, but it really means to “trust, to cling to, to be faithful”. Now, when we think of what it means to be “faithful” it implies more than just head knowledge. The Webster dictionary defines it as, “firm in adherence to promises or in observance of duty”. It is a paradox to most but, truly faith –with out works- is dead (Ya'akov/James 2:20, 2:26). The works stem from true saving faith...not the other way around.
Shalom chaver,
Reuel
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Post by Pioneer on Nov 8, 2005 19:09:46 GMT -8
How many demons are baptized? Mr 16:16 "He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.
Jn.5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears my word and believes him who sent me, has eternal life; he does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
I believe the speaker, don't you? Having said that he said Mt 7:21 ¶ "Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
Is He double talking? or is He making a distinction between saved and entering the Kingdom. Saved by "grace", enter the kingdom by faithful service. This is what I read in plain language. Hearers of the word, saved by grace, doers of the word are justified.
Why, if salvation was the "Prime-Rib" on Adonai's plate, when the Baptists came on the scene, His plate would always be full.
Are all of the saved the "Elect?" Show where it says, " be saved, be elected!" Or any variation of that. The Elect is in the first resurrection, the rest of the dead lived not again until the 1000 years ended.
If you want to be elected you must be in His service. Medals of Honor are not passed out to those who go on sick call. Meritorious Service is where the Elect come from. Above and beyond the call of duty.
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Post by Blake on Jan 3, 2006 23:21:40 GMT -8
"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved," Romans 10:13.
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Jan 12, 2006 12:26:35 GMT -8
Agreed, but doesn't calling on the name of YHVH involve more than just saying His name?
Shalom chaver,
Reuel
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Post by Blake on May 3, 2006 11:51:17 GMT -8
Of course, but I believe anyone who consciously realizes they can't save themselves and throws themselves at the mercy of HaShem by calling upon His name will be saved.
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Post by Mpossoff on Feb 2, 2007 5:17:50 GMT -8
Hi all I'd like to chime in here a bit.
I believe that Yeshua is the manifistation of G-d, G-d in the flesh.
With that being said if you don't believe Yeshua's words you are not believing G-d. Yeshua is the One that Moses said to listen too.
Marc
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Post by Chizuk Emunah on Feb 2, 2007 12:36:05 GMT -8
Shalom Marc, Here is why I disagree with the position that somehow a man can be or become G-d. G-d is not a man, that he should lie; neither the Son of Man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? [B'midbar(Numbers) 23:19]
I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am G-d, and not a man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city. [Hoshea 11:9]
That being said, I do believe that Moshe Rabbeinu was referring to Rabbi Y'hoshua HaMashiach in D'varim 18. I know that was Off Topic, but I wanted to throw in my 2 cents.... Shabbat Shalom Everyone, Natanel |
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Post by Mpossoff on Feb 2, 2007 12:38:32 GMT -8
Natanel I understand where you are coming from. Honestly I don't want to intellectually try to figure out the ontology of G-d as you can't. Yeshua forgave sins. Only G-d can fogive sins. There is many scripture that Yeshua "makes the claim" that He is G-d. Man is man. That's why G-d can't be 100% man. Why can't He be the in the flesh? 100% G-d and 100% man. I believe we can't use ontology to figure out G-d's "anatomy" so to speak. Again there is just too much scripture that supports that Yeshua is the in the flesh and I acknowledge His deity as so. Marc Shalom Marc, Here is why I disagree with the position that somehow a man can be or become G-d. G-d is not a man, that he should lie; neither the Son of Man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? [B'midbar(Numbers) 23:19]
I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am G-d, and not a man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city. [Hoshea 11:9]
[/b] That being said, I do believe that Moshe Rabbeinu was referring to Rabbi Y'hoshua HaMashiach in D'varim 18. I know that was OT, but I wanted to throw in my 2 cents.... Shabbat Shalom Everyone, Natanel[/quote] |
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Feb 4, 2007 23:55:43 GMT -8
Shalom Marc, Amein, I agree with you. Yeshua The Messiah is indeed the Word made flesh. Also, we should note that Messiah is not just a "man". No, no...He is much more than just a man...but, the flesh that Mashiach inhabits is that of man. I think we must read the scriptures recently given here within their proper context. This Elohim in the flesh is manifested with the name of "Yeshua", the masculine form of the Hebrew word for "salvation". Just as Elohim manifests Himself in different ways throughout history with different names such as "El Shaddai", "El Olam", "El Elyon" ect., so too He has done through the builder (son) of His Kingdom...indeed, the Arm Of YHVH. If we wish to further discuss what the scripture actually says about the nature of Messiah, we have a thread already dedicated to it: The Essence Of MashiachShalom chaverim, Reuel |
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Post by Morne on May 27, 2007 3:54:49 GMT -8
Thank you all for writing this topic. It is truly a blessing reading it.
Morné
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Post by Mpossoff on Jul 10, 2007 1:25:40 GMT -8
Salvation does not come by works or obeying commandments. Salvation is a free gift of God available through acknowledging Yeshua the Messiah as Lord through repentance and confession of sin. I believe that observance is not necessary for salvation BUT(a big but) but that it is the defines sin. The helps us understand Gods holiness and character so we can be holy. To be honest and personally speaking; I was becoming too legalistic and I thank God He had me realize it. For me I was getting so focused on observance I got sidetracked on the Commandments that all the other commandments hang on. My judgements on those that don't obey has gotten me to the point to get with God and repent. Why? Because there are pork eating, Sabbath breaking Baptists(and others) that obey more than those that wear a kippah and tzizit! So I'm trying to refocus my whole deal of obedience, while strongly keeping in mind that weightier matters of loving God and neighbor, could at any time have me abandon or alter my course of obedience to what is fitting in the Lord. Same vision, different approach if you will. Marc |
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