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Post by jimmie on Jun 8, 2015 7:01:38 GMT -8
alon,
Let me start by saying I neither believe what you argue against nor do I believe what you argue for.
In Luke 23:38 and John 19:19-20, the inscription placed over Jesus was written in Hebrew, Latin and Greek. I am guessing that the person who wrote the inscription(s) received it in Latin as it came from Pilate. At any rate, the Jewish leaders understood what was written. There was nothing lost in the translation. What was written, could be expressed in the three languages without misunderstanding. In Acts chapter 2, people from sixteen languages heard in their native tongue what was spoken, by the Galileans. Since God created languages, at the tower, he can speak them all. Paul spoke and read Greek as seen at Mars Hill in Acts 17. In Acts 21, Paul speaks to the guard in Greek then to the crowd in Hebrew. In chapter 22 Paul said that he was born a Roman, so he may even have spoken Latin.
The name of the King of the bottomless pit was recorded in both Greek and Hebrew, Rev 9:11.
I could go on and on, but will conclude with:
Matt 27: 33 And when they were come unto a place called Golgotha, that is to say, a place of a skull,
Mark 15:22 And they bring him unto the place Golgotha, which is, being interpreted, The place of a skull.
John 19: 17 And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha:
It appears that Matthew and Mark were written in Hebrew or at least from an Hebrew prospective while John presents the Greek prospective and most likely Greek language.
To say the NT was entirely composed in Hebrew is just as ludicrous as saying the NT was entirely composed in Greek. Neither position fits the evidences that we have at hand.
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Post by jimmie on Apr 26, 2015 5:19:47 GMT -8
B”H I’m sorry, We are offended of this thread, for we Read in Exodus 23:13 “Pay attention to everything I have said to you; do not invoke the names of other gods or even let them be heard crossing your lips. Jeremiah 7:9 - Will ye steal, murder, and commit adultery, and swear falsely, and burn incense unto Baal, and walk after other gods whom ye know not; 1 Samuel 7:4 - Then the children of Israel did put away Baalim and Ashtaroth, and served the LORD only. 1 Samuel 12:10 And they cried unto the LORD, and said, We have sinned, because we have forsaken the LORD, and have served Baalim and Ashtaroth: but now deliver us out of the hand of our enemies, and we will serve thee. Numbers 25:3 And Israel joined himself unto Baalpeor: and the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel. Leviticus 20:3 And I will set my face against that man, and will cut him off from among his people; because he hath given of his seed unto Molech, to defile my sanctuary, and to profane my holy name. 1 Kings 11:7 See verse in context Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon. Does scripture break its' on commands? I think not. |
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Post by jimmie on Apr 16, 2015 5:44:32 GMT -8
So right after I posted the above post, the Spirit brought to my remembrance Miriam’s song:
Ex 15:20 And Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a timbrel in her hand; and all the women went out after her with timbrels and with dances.
This is as clear an example of segregation by gender that can probably be found in scripture. I will go think on this for a while.
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Post by jimmie on Apr 15, 2015 5:23:45 GMT -8
Isn't the Sabbath listed as the first feast?
Isn't that what you just did with Lev 12:1-5? I do accept that this scripture may shed light on the subject at hand. As i believe that the ones that i shared do.
Gal. 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus
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Post by jimmie on Mar 23, 2015 8:54:56 GMT -8
The Catholic doctrine of the Trinity (from Latin trinitas "triad", from trinus "threefold")[1] defines God as three consubstantial persons,[2] expressions, or hypostases:[3] the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit; "one God in three persons". The three persons are distinct, yet are one "substance, essence or nature".[4] In this context, a "nature" is what one is, while a "person" is who one is
A triple deity (sometimes referred to as threefold, tripled, triplicate, tripartite, triune or triadic, or as a trinity) is a deity associated with the number three. Such deities are common throughout world mythology; the number three has a long history of mythical associations.
Catholics mixed God and paganism and formed the Trinity.
Deut 6: 5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Matt 6:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Humans do not consist of three entities, a heart, a soul, and mind/might, which forms a unity. The heart, soul and mind all do one thing: think or reason. To split God into three persons makes about as much sense as splitting man into three persons.
When “the angel of the Lord” appeared to Moses in the bush, God does the speaking. Does this not lead one to believe that “the angle of the Lord” is God? The angel of the Lord is not a separate person from God. No more so than “the hand of the Lord” is a separate person from God. Seeing the angel of the Lord is seeing God according to the witness of Manoah. Seeing Jesus is seeing God according to Christ.
Matt 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
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Post by jimmie on Feb 24, 2015 10:16:12 GMT -8
Jimmie, I am going to look more closely at all the passages you referenced. elizabeth, Thanks for that kind compliment. alon, Even a blind hog will find an acorn now and then. The fact that a feminist believes something does not prove it wrong. 1 Tim 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Eve was just a rib when God told Adam not to eat of the tree, yet when she ate she transgressed. She was a part of man therefore accountable. Once my wife and I were having a disagreement and I just could not get her to understand my way of thinking. Out of frustration, I said I couldn’t understand how she could be so beautiful yet so stupid. Well she explained it to me. She said God made her beautiful so that I would be attracted to her. God made her stupid so that she would be attracted to me. Men and women think differently. Then so do you and me. I don’t see how that relieves either from the duty to fear God and keep his commandments. You mentioned working concrete. Then you know what happens when too much water is added, or it is over vibrated, or the surface is overworked. All of those traditions of the concrete finishers is an absolute frustration to the design engineers. For they know that those traditions of handling concrete will cause its’ premature failure. So it is with God’s law, keep man’s traditions out of it. The Savior warned on many occasions that the traditions of man make the laws of God of no effect. I will take an “it is written” over “it has been said of old time” every time. No one should commit to keeping any law without being convinced in their own mind to do so. That is keeping the letter of the law and not the spirit of the law. I kept the letter, of the tithing law, for 18 years in the baptist church. I gave the tithe to the church not to God. I listened to the preacher not scripture. I walked in accordance with his and the churches tradition not the dictates of God’s law. As I tell my children, “education is expensive”. Learning to tithe in accordance with scripture cost me $120,000.00. |
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Post by jimmie on Feb 11, 2015 10:09:33 GMT -8
I always hesitate to guess, but I can't help but wonder if there is some Messianic insight regarding Yeshua as Redeemer going on here. G-d accomplishing our redemption as a joint endeavor of both Him and man.
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The first set of tables shows the state of natural man. He has broken all of God’s Law. This does not mean that natural man has broken each of God’s Laws. Since he is enjoined to keep each and every Law of God, but has failed to do so, he has broken all (as in the entirety of the Law).
The second set of tables shows the state of regenerated man. Moses preparing the tables with his hands showing that the regenerated man is involved with preparing a place for God to write his Law. Of course that place is our heart. And the new covenant is when God’s Laws are written on our heart.
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Post by jimmie on Jan 8, 2015 10:32:09 GMT -8
It is not really all that hard to understand. Consider the typical Christian sacrifice on thanksgiving. The USDA (priest) inspects the turkey or hog for its’ suitability (without blemish) for consumption. Then it is purchased, prepared (burnt), blessed and consumed. Quite simple actually.
Deut 12: 17 Thou mayest not eat within thy gates the tithe of thy corn, or of thy wine, or of thy oil, or the firstlings of thy herds or of thy flock, nor any of thy vows which thou vowest, nor thy freewill offerings, or heave offering of thine hand:18 But thou must eat them before the LORD thy God in the place which the LORD thy God shall choose, thou, and thy son, and thy daughter, and thy manservant, and thy maidservant, and the Levite that is within thy gates: and thou shalt rejoice before the LORD thy God in all that thou puttest thine hands
Deut 14:23 And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.
For an example of people doing it right and the priest doing it wrong by custom, see I Sammuel 3:12-17.
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Oct 1, 2014 5:17:18 GMT -8
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Post by jimmie on Oct 1, 2014 5:17:18 GMT -8
The Lord of the Sabbath allowed this.
(Deu 23:25 KJV) When thou comest into the standing corn of thy neighbour, then thou mayest pluck the ears with thine hand; but thou shalt not move a sickle unto thy neighbour's standing corn.
You are free to eat even on the Sabbath.
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Post by jimmie on Sept 24, 2014 11:02:18 GMT -8
Ezra could determine the first month without knowledge of the barley stage in Israel.
(Ezra 7:9 KJV) For upon the first day of the first month began he to go up from Babylon, and on the first day of the fifth month came he to Jerusalem, according to the good hand of his God upon him.
Haman could determine the first month without knowledge of the barley stage in Israel.
(Est 3:12 KJV) Then were the king's scribes called on the thirteenth day of the first month, and there was written according to all that Haman had commanded unto the king's lieutenants, and to the governors that were over every province, and to the rulers of every people of every province according to the writing thereof, and to every people after their language; in the name of king Ahasuerus was it written, and sealed with the king's ring.
Ezekiel could determine the first of the year and thus month outside of Isreal.
(Ezek 40:1 KJV) In the five and twentieth year of our captivity, in the beginning of the year, in the tenth day of the month, in the fourteenth year after that the city was smitten, in the selfsame day the hand of the LORD was upon me, and brought me thither. 2 In the visions of God brought he me into the land of Israel, and set me upon a very high mountain, by which was as the frame of a city on the south.
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Post by jimmie on Sept 5, 2014 9:51:18 GMT -8
Sola scriptura is why Catholics mock Protestants. Protestants claim to get their instruction solely from scripture. Yet they worship on Sunday, and keep holidays not established in scripture, both of which were established by the Catholic Church. Below are a few reason that I do not believe in Sola scriptura: (Prov 6:6 KJV) Go to the ant, thou sluggard; consider her ways, and be wise: (Psa 143:5 KJV) I remember the days of old; I meditate on all thy works; I muse on the work of thy hands. (Prov 1:8 KJV) My son, hear the instruction of thy father, and forsake not the law of thy mother: (1 Cor 11:14 KJV) Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a  unto him? (John 14:26 KJV) But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. Prov 24:30 I went by the field of the slothful, and by the vineyard of the man void of understanding; 31 And, lo, it was all grown over with thorns, and nettles had covered the face thereof, and the stone wall thereof was broken down. 32 Then I saw, and considered it well: I looked upon it, and received instruction. (1 Cor 14:6 KJV) Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine? |
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Post by jimmie on Sept 3, 2014 9:26:57 GMT -8
It has occurred to me that during our discussion of the Kingdom of Heaven/God we have not defied what the term means.
(Mat 18:1 KJV) At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?
(Mat 18:8 KJV) Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.
(Mat 19:16 KJV) And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
(Mat 25:14 KJV) For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
So one aspect of the Kingdom of Heaven is eternal life.
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Post by jimmie on Jul 18, 2014 7:42:44 GMT -8
alon,
In order not to derail the thread on beards could you relocate the relevent post about Jephthah to here.
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
For he that said, Do not sacrifice your children, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no child sacrifice, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
My point is both Jephthah and David transgressed the law. Even if your hypothesis is correct, Jephthah transgressed God’s command to be fruitful and multiply by forcing his daughter to become a perpetual virgin. The catholics use the hypothesis that Jephthah’s daughter was a perpetual virgin to support their system of convents for women. Of course they also use the “Acts of Peter and Thechla.” To force a woman to be a perpetual virgin is worse than killing her. Witness Rachael’s words.
Gen 30:1 ...; and said unto Jacob, Give me children, or else I die.
Jephthah killed 42,000 fleeing Ephraimites for opposing him. Would you be the priest to stand up to him? I like to think I would be able to. But no priest was “needed” for the sacrifice of his daughter. He could have taken matters into his own hands Like Saul did. Scripture said he did it not a priest.
Jug. 11:39 And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel,
Another counter point to her being a perpetual virgin is the fact that others dedicated to service in the tabernacle were not constrained to be so. Witness Samuel who had two sons.
I am not trying to give Jephthah the short shaft. I am trying to see him for what he was. He gathered vain men unto himself. Birds of the feather tend to flock together. Did he perform mighty deeds? Yes in deed! Did he exhibit great knowledge of Scripture? For sure! Did he have failings in regard to the treatment of his daughter? Yep! I don’t try to hide his failings. Nor the fact that David killed someone to hid his sin with the man’s wife. Nor the fact that Samson consorted with hamlets. I acknowledge their sins as well as my own and try to walk closer to God.
Ex 34:6 And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,
7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.
Did Jephthah receive forgiveness for his iniquity, transgression and sin? That is what God does not only for him but us as well. Will God refuse to clear Jephthah’s guilt? God also does that for him as well as us. There we have the two groups. The saved and unsaved.
P.S.
Record of other human sacrifices by Hebrews:
(2 Ki 16:3 KJV) But he walked in the way of the kings of Israel, yea, and made his son to pass through the fire, according to the abominations of the heathen, whom the LORD cast out from before the children of Israel.
(2 Ki 23:10 KJV) And he defiled Topheth, which is in the valley of the children of Hinnom, that no man might make his son or his daughter to pass through the fire to Molech.
(2 Chr 28:3 KJV) Moreover he burnt incense in the valley of the son of Hinnom, and burnt his children in the fire, after the abominations of the heathen whom the LORD had cast out before the children of Israel.
(2 Chr 33:6 KJV) And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom: also he observed times, and used enchantments, and used witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards: he wrought much evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger.
(Jer 32:35 KJV) And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.
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Post by jimmie on Jul 1, 2014 8:28:56 GMT -8
II kings 12:15 Moreover they reckoned not with the men, into whose hand they delivered the money to be bestowed on workmen: for they dealt faithfully.
II kings 22:7 Howbeit there was no reckoning made with them of the money that was delivered into their hand, because they dealt faithfully.
II Chr 34:12 And the men did the work faithfully: and the overseers of them were Jahath and Obadiah, the Levites, of the sons of Merari; and Zechariah and Meshullam, of the sons of the Kohathites, to set it forward; and other of the Levites, all that could skill of instruments of music.
Neh 13:13 And I made treasurers over the treasuries, Shelemiah the priest, and Zadok the scribe, and of the Levites, Pedaiah: and next to them was Hanan the son of Zaccur, the son of Mattaniah: for they were counted faithful, and their office was to distribute unto their brethren.
Hab 4:4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.
Luke 16:11 If therefore ye have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches?
12 And if ye have not been faithful in that which is another man's, who shall give you that which is your own?
I see no difference.
What do the following words have in common:
Faithful, believed, verified, nurse, nursing, continuance, assurance, trust, trusted, sure, established, brought “up children”, stand, steadfast, surly be,
They are all translations of Aman, aw-man H539 a prim. root; prop. to build up or support; to foster as a parent or nurse; fig. to render (or be) firm or faithful, to trust or believe, to be permanent or quiet; mor. to be true or certain; once (Isa. 30 : 21; by interch. for H541) to go to the right hand:--hence assurance, believe, bring up, establish, + fail, be faithful (of long continuance, stedfast, sure, surely, trusty, verified), nurse, (-ing father), (put), trust, turn to the right.
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Post by jimmie on May 6, 2014 14:31:56 GMT -8
Questor, we are pretty much in the same boat here, sounds like. I can no longer be self sufficient, so I am completely in God's hands. Probably a much better place to be than back when I had a huge garden and an arsenal to protect it, nu?   I still have a large garden. My plan is to be able to hit my neighbor with a bowl of soup not buckshot in difficult times. |
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