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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 9, 2015 7:47:40 GMT -8
Just looking for some clarification.
Genesis 31:18 "And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of G-d."
Genesis 34:27-28 "Then the LORD said to Moses, "Write these words, for according to the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel, So he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments."
Verse 31: 18 seems quite clear. G-d wrote first set of tablets. Verse 34:27 seems to suggest that G-d asked Moses to write the second set, but verse 34:28 uses a capital "H" in the word "He" which seems to suggest it was G-d who wrote on the second set of tablets as well. Any guidance or clarification would be appreciated. |
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Post by alon on Feb 9, 2015 16:23:15 GMT -8
Just looking for some clarification.
Genesis 31:18 "And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of G-d."
Genesis 34:27-28 "Then the LORD said to Moses, "Write these words, for according to the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel, So he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments."
Verse 31: 18 seems quite clear. G-d wrote first set of tablets. Verse 34:27 seems to suggest that G-d asked Moses to write the second set, but verse 34:28 uses a capital "H" in the word "He" which seems to suggest it was G-d who wrote on the second set of tablets as well. Any guidance or clarification would be appreciated. 
The wording there sounds like it is saying Moses had to write (chisel) the second set. Not only this, but what he is told to write, which he is also told is the same thing as was on the first tablets, is a much different list than what we are commonly told are the "Ten Commandments." Since there are no caps in Hebrew, the "He" there is an interpolation. Christian commentators and translators like their imagery of the finger of God burning out the words (in English, of course!) then carving the tablets from the rock; then Moses comes down the mountain carrying them with outstretched arms so we can all read them! According to Pastor Ed Cole, the most powerful thing you can do is to create an image. So we have this image seared in our minds, and few people question whether Moses or God wrote the second set of tablets, or what was on them. Shoot, I bet if you took a poll in almost any church out there far more than half the adults would say there was only one set!
See thread:
theloveofgod.proboards.com/thread/3206/ex-20-deu-34-commandments
Dan C
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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 10, 2015 6:34:15 GMT -8
whoops, I did mean Exodus. Thanks for correcting me and I apologize for starting such a confusing thread.
Thanks for the reply and insight about capital letters in Hebrew as well. We are beginning to learn the Hebrew alphabet in my family but I had never considered the absence of capitals as I study.
Maybe G-d thought since he broke the first set, he could work a bit more on the second set. 
I always hesitate to guess, but I can't help but wonder if there is some Messianic insight regarding Yeshua as Redeemer going on here. G-d accomplishing our redemption as a joint endeavor of both Him and man.
Regardless, I love the image of Moses submitting himself and chiseling away at a stone to accomplish and communicate G-d's will. I think that fits beautifully with who our Savior is. |
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Post by alon on Feb 10, 2015 19:14:38 GMT -8
whoops, I did mean Exodus. Thanks for correcting me and I apologize for starting such a confusing thread. 
Actually, I was confused as well. Moshe only had to chisel out the tablets, then God did write on them.
Shemot 34:1 (OJB) And Hashem said unto Moshe, Chisel thee two Luchot Avanim like the first ones; and I will write upon these Luchot the divarim that were on the Luchot HaRishonim, which thou broke.
Still, He apparently did write on the tablets something different than what we are commonly told. And still, since both lists are Biblical, recorded in  , both are valid for instruction.
Dan C
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Post by jimmie on Feb 11, 2015 10:09:33 GMT -8
I always hesitate to guess, but I can't help but wonder if there is some Messianic insight regarding Yeshua as Redeemer going on here. G-d accomplishing our redemption as a joint endeavor of both Him and man.
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The first set of tables shows the state of natural man. He has broken all of God’s Law. This does not mean that natural man has broken each of God’s Laws. Since he is enjoined to keep each and every Law of God, but has failed to do so, he has broken all (as in the entirety of the Law).
The second set of tables shows the state of regenerated man. Moses preparing the tables with his hands showing that the regenerated man is involved with preparing a place for God to write his Law. Of course that place is our heart. And the new covenant is when God’s Laws are written on our heart.
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Post by alon on Feb 11, 2015 14:42:10 GMT -8
The first set of tables shows the state of natural man. He has broken all of God’s Law. This does not mean that natural man has broken each of God’s Laws. Since he is enjoined to keep each and every Law of God, but has failed to do so, he has broken all (as in the entirety of the Law). The second set of tables shows the state of regenerated man. Moses preparing the tables with his hands showing that the regenerated man is involved with preparing a place for God to write his Law. Of course that place is our heart. And the new covenant is when God’s Laws are written on our heart.
That could be a good analogy if you are talking about the end times and the Millennial Reign. However it would not apply to us now being under the New (Renewed) Covenant (B'rit Chadasha).
Jerimiah 31: 31 (ESV) “Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord. 33 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”
To "write it on the heart" is a Hebrew euphemism for memorization, understanding and personal dedication; and the entire chapter of Jerimiah 31 is a promise to ISRAEL about the end times and a reign of peace where they are in obedient covenant with HaShem. Today we are more under the same covenant relationship partly described in Deuteronomy:
Deuteronomy 32:46 (ESV) he said to them, “Take to heart all the words by which I am warning you today, that you may command them to your children, that they may be careful to do all the words of this law.
God's laws are not inscribed on our hearts. We still have to teach these laws to ourselves and others. We don't know or understand the whole of His laws; and we still regularly break the laws we do know. Israel and most of the west are more the condition described here:
Zechariah 7:12 (NASB) They made their hearts like flint so that they could not hear the law and the words which the Lord of hosts had sent by His Spirit through the former prophets; therefore great wrath came from the Lord of hosts.
So we have to be careful saying "the new covenant is when God’s Laws are written on our heart." We are under the New/Renewed Covenant, but not of the time God's laws are memorized and held dear by all Israel, and certainly not even by us in the Messianic movement. Look at those mostly sincere people who have left here because they wouldn't commit to the law and wanted to teach others not to do so. We aren't to that point yet where the Lord has written His laws on the hearts of the Jews and on His proselytes in Messianic Judaism (that'd be us), who do try and keep His laws the best we can.
Dan C
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Post by jimmie on Feb 11, 2015 15:08:23 GMT -8
agreed
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