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Post by jimmie on Jan 25, 2022 11:49:37 GMT -8
[b Avraham, like Moshe before him was one of the Bible’s great intercessors.I believe you have a typo here. |
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Post by jimmie on Jan 25, 2022 10:44:35 GMT -8
I don’t think the situation was quite as adealic as you present. God tends to interject himself into the affairs of this world when things have gone wrong, not when they are homogeneous as you appear to present. I see in Acts that many Jews had none Hebrew native tongues. The sign hung on the cross with Jesus bore three different languages. I think there is a possibility that some of the New Testament was written in Greek. In Jesus’ day, there were two methods of time keeping. One was the 12 hour day (natural day) with hour 6 marking midday and one that ran from midnight to midnight with Nine(noon) marking midday. It further appears that Matthew, Mark and Luke used the 12 hour natural day (you call the Jewish Method), while John appears to use the civil day with nine (noon) marking midday. Look again:
John 19:14 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he (Pilot) saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!
In John, Jesus is on trial at the 6th hour, whereas Matthew, Mark, and Luke have him on the cross at the 6th hour and Mark has the crucifixion starting at the third hour.
Mark 15:25 And it was the third hour, and they crucified him.
Clearly if John is using the natural day for time keeping he is out of sync by 3 hours. However if he is using the civil day in which Nine (noon) is midday, al that must be done is to subtract the three hours. And john will also have the crucifixion starting in the 3rd hour.
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Jonah 2
Jan 24, 2022 13:56:05 GMT -8
Post by jimmie on Jan 24, 2022 13:56:05 GMT -8
Actually both are correct as Roman had a natural day consisting of 12 hours that ran from sunrise to sunset and a civil day that ran from midnight to midnight. It is clear that Matthew used the natural day of 12 hours as seen in Matt 20:1-12. Mark also uses the natural day stating the crucifixion begun the third hour (Mark 15:25) and Jesus died the 9th hour (Mark 15:34). So the dark period from the 6th to the 9th hour equates to Noon to 3:00 pm our time. According to Matt 27:46, Jesus was on the cross during those three hours of darkness, thus becoming the accursed in our stead.
John seems to be the out layer.
John 19:14 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!
If John is using the natural day then he is out of synch with the other gospels by three hours. If he is using the civil day in which Noon is the 9th hour we can take three hours off Johns reckoning in civil time to get the 3rd hour for the start of the execution as recorded in natural time by Mark.
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Post by jimmie on Jan 21, 2022 9:11:22 GMT -8
It is fairly easy to see how one would think that a part of a day/night would count. Just look at Saul performing the offering instead of waiting for Samuel who arrive very late in the day. Though this is plausible, it is not necessary to fulfil Matt 12:40 “For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” We have been taught that “the heart of the earth” equates to “the grave”. If you do a word search for “heart of” you will find that the heart is the seat of emotions and actions. And Satan deceives the whole world or turns its’ heart away from God. Thus I believe Jesus spends three days and nights in the heart of the earth; meaning the control of Satan. The time begins with Judas' betrayal of Jesus by a kiss. From then till his resurrection are three full day and night periods as follows.
Part of 1 night: Jesus is betrayed during the night and spends the remainder of the night in trail by the Sanhedrin.
1st day: Jesus trail before Pilot and Herod and is hanged on the cross until the 6th Hour when darkness covers the land.
2nd Night: Jesus in on the cross during darkness between 6th and 9th Hours.
2nd day: Jesus dies and is buried during the light between the 9th and 12th hours.
3rd night: Sabbath
3rd day: Sabbath
Partial night completed: Jesus is resurrected during the night as he has already left the tomb before sunrise on the first day of the week.
There we have 3 full day and night cycles.
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Post by jimmie on Jan 20, 2022 15:25:30 GMT -8
In the story, there are three people who are they?
Abraham is easy.
Lazarus is the Greek from of Eliezer by chance who was Abraham's servant from Damascus.
The rich man is a little harder. We know he had five brothers. Any one come to mind. How about Judah.
Jesus is using historical figures to tell the current state of things.
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Jonah 2
Jan 20, 2022 9:47:52 GMT -8
Post by jimmie on Jan 20, 2022 9:47:52 GMT -8
What was the High sabbath. Passover was completed the day before Jesus died.
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Post by jimmie on Jan 20, 2022 8:07:29 GMT -8
[quote author=" alon" “Sheol” was the Hebrew counterpart of the Greek “Hades.” [/quote] I find this statement very disturbing. The pagan Hades stands in stark contrast to Sheol. This is an example of pagan belief seeping into Christian doctrine. As to weather Jonah died: Jonah 2:7 When my soul fainted within me I remembered the LORD: and my prayer came in unto thee, into thine holy temple. Jonah's soul fainted. What is the soul? It is a combination of flesh and spirit(breath of God). Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Death is when the spirit returns to God and the flesh returns to the earth. Genesis 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. What would be the point of preparing a fish to swallow Jonah if he is going to die anyway? Just let him drown in the water and have his body wash up on shore then revive it. Matt 12: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Was Jesus three days and three nights in the grave? We know he died about the 9th hour on the day before the sabbath and was raised prior to dawn on the first day of the week. No matter how I slice or dice, I don't get three days and nights out of that. |
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Post by jimmie on Nov 15, 2021 14:03:26 GMT -8
Not espousing this doctrine. Merely pointing out scriptures commonly used by those on this exstream of the salvations issue.
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Post by jimmie on Nov 15, 2021 7:14:20 GMT -8
I believe what is hinted at here is the doctrine of "universal salvation". A few verses used to support this notion:
Gen 12:3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
Gen 22:18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.
Ps 22:29 All they that be fat upon earth shall eat and worship: all they that go down to the dust shall bow before him: and none can keep alive his own soul.
Ps 65:2 O thou that hearest prayer, unto thee shall all flesh come.
Ps 86:9 All nations whom thou hast made shall come and worship before thee, O Lord; and shall glorify thy name.
Ps 103:8 The LORD is merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and plenteous in mercy. 9 He will not always chide: neither will he keep his anger for ever.
Ps 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works. 10 All thy works shall praise thee, O LORD; and thy saints shall bless thee. 14 The LORD upholdeth all that fall, and raiseth up all those that be bowed down.
Is 25:6 And in this mountain shall the LORD of hosts make unto all people a feast of fat things, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the lees well refined. 7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations. 8 He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.
Luke 3:5 Every valley shall be filled, and every mountain and hill shall be brought low; and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough ways shall be made smooth; 6 And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.
John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
Rom 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
Rom: 518 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
Ro 11:31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
II Cor 5:14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
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Post by jimmie on Nov 9, 2021 7:08:48 GMT -8
Y - as in Prayer or Mayor
H - as in Herb, hour, or honour
W - as in wrest, who or wrath
H - as in Honest, Heir, or Ghost
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Post by jimmie on Nov 2, 2021 5:20:36 GMT -8
Hear is how to be smarter than the rabbi:
Psalms 119:99 I have more understanding than all my teachers: for thy testimonies are my meditation.
Keeping the Sabbath is a testimony of God. Meditate on that more.
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Post by jimmie on Nov 1, 2021 8:51:26 GMT -8
No. It just means they are not a productive child of God. Thus they should have reason to a self evaluation of their standing with the LORD.
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Post by jimmie on Nov 1, 2021 8:44:09 GMT -8
I think it may be the other way round. If you join yourself to the LORD, then you will be drawn to Israel/Judah as they are or at least should be joined to the LORD.
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Post by jimmie on Oct 28, 2021 6:00:20 GMT -8
Matthew 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
Mark 12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
Luke 20:34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
Luke 20:35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
These passages seem to indicate that only children of this world can marry/procreate and angels do not. Thus I do not subscribe to the mixing of angle's and human's genes. The "sons of god" were likely kings/rulers who set themselves up as gods and took any "daughter of men" that they wanted by force if need be. This was done by the kings of Egypt, and others who claimed to be "sons of god"
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Post by jimmie on Oct 7, 2021 6:12:22 GMT -8
[quote author=" alon" Genesis 4:3-5 In the course of time קין qayin brought to the Lord an offering of the fruit of the ground, and הבל hevel also brought of the firstborn of his flock and of their fat portions. And the Lord had regard for הבל hevel and his offering, but for קין qayin and his offering he had no regard. So קין qayin was very angry, and his face fell. quote] This passage has perplexed me for a very long time. Just exactly what was wrong with Cain’s offering? The church teaches that it did not involve a blood sacrifice. Meaning that God only accepts animal offerings. The below passages indicate otherwise. Exodus 23:16 And the feast of harvest, the firstfruits of thy labours, which thou hast sown in the field: and the feast of ingathering, which is in the end of the year, when thou hast gathered in thy labours out of the field. Exodus 34:22 And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end. Exodus 34:26 The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring unto the house of the LORD thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk. Leviticus 2:12 As for the oblation of the firstfruits, ye shall offer them unto the LORD: but they shall not be burnt on the altar for a sweet savour. Leviticus 2:14 And if thou offer a meat offering of thy firstfruits unto the LORD, thou shalt offer for the meat offering of thy firstfruits green ears of corn dried by the fire, even corn beaten out of full ears. Leviticus 23:10 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest: Leviticus 23:17 Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves of two tenth deals: they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the LORD. Numbers 18:12 All the best of the oil, and all the best of the wine, and of the wheat, the firstfruits of them which they shall offer unto the LORD, them have I given thee. Numbers 28:26 Also in the day of the firstfruits, when ye bring a new meat offering unto the LORD, after your weeks be out, ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work: Deuteronomy 26:10 And now, behold, I have brought the firstfruits of the land, which thou, O LORD, hast given me. And thou shalt set it before the LORD thy God, and worship before the LORD thy God: 2 Kings 4:42 And there came a man from Baalshalisha, and brought the man of God bread of the firstfruits, twenty loaves of barley, and full ears of corn in the husk thereof. And he said, Give unto the people, that they may eat. 2 Chronicles 31:5 And as soon as the commandment came abroad, the children of Israel brought in abundance the firstfruits of corn, wine, and oil, and honey, and of all the increase of the field; and the tithe of all things brought they in abundantly. Nehemiah 10:35 And to bring the firstfruits of our ground, and the firstfruits of all fruit of all trees, year by year, unto the house of the LORD: So why was God upset with Cain’s offering? Let’s reexamine the passage. Gen 4: 3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD. 4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering: I have highlighted what made Abel’s offering acceptable. Notice it didn’t say Cain brought the first fruits of the ground. He only brought “fruit of the ground”. Some might say that this is an argument form silences. Meaning that since is does not say it was not the first fruits of the ground it could be. Which would indeed be the case is the only evidence was verse 3. However verse four names the firstling of the flock. Thus indicating if the writer would have indicated the “first fruits of the ground” if that is what he had meant. Thus this is not a case of arguing from salience. |
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