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Post by Vaneide on Mar 15, 2007 3:11:07 GMT -8
Shalom, chaverim Pesach is coming along and I just would like to know about some food that we may have in our house or may not. I know I can't celebrate like you guys, but I am learning about the feast of the YHWH and He knows that in my heart there is a pure desire to celebrate His Feast and obeying Him in everything that I should obey. What food you take from your house in the week of pesach and what food you leave? In Yeshua love, Vaneide.  |
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Post by Chizuk Emunah on Mar 15, 2007 10:48:16 GMT -8
It's not as complicated as one may think. If anything contains yeast or is used a leavening agent, then remove it from your possession. This includes any food you use to feed your pets (we didn't realize that ourselves until about 2yrs ago). My family and I follow S'fardic halacha regarding Pesach, so we don't worry about kitniyot (rice and beans) as that only applies to those who follow Ashkenazic halacha.
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Post by Mark on Mar 17, 2007 5:04:28 GMT -8
The important to thing about leavening is that we're not talking about flat- in fact, my wife makes some wonderful onion rolls for passover that are the lightest fluffiest bread you might ever taste. The leavening process involves fermentation. This is why there is such a debate about baking soda. The rising due to baking soda is a chemical reaction with the water in the batter which releases gas; yet there is some argument whether or not that release involves fermentation. We know that yeast products rise because of fermentation. In fact, fermentation will begin when water and flour mix within 20 minutes. This is why you will find some matzah products that say specifically, "kosher for passover". Since there is so much debate on what is really kosher for passover and what is not, I suggest that it is something you could easily wear yourself out trying to be "right". Did you know that some brands of ketchup contain yeast? It may be worth visiting the site www.kosher4passover.com ; but recognize that you can easily become overwhelmed at the depth some people take this. Even in the most orthodox home, they include the blessing: “All chametz, leaven and leavened bread that is in my possession which I have not seen, removed or is unknown to me, shall be annulled and considered ownerless like the dust of the earth.” |
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Post by Mark on Mar 17, 2007 5:33:54 GMT -8
Vaneide, I just reread your post again (after getting a cup of coffee and a miniature chocolate bar) and sense a desire from you for just a real roll-up-your-sleeves practical answer. This is what we do: first: we order matzah that is kosher for passover to replace bread for our meals all week. Usually that's about five boxes; but remember that there are eleven people in my house. I recommend that if you eat one loaf of bread in a week, buy one box of matzah. The price is almost comparable. If you can't get matzah where you live (and I'm not sure we will be able to this year) you can order from www.manishevitz.com There are other sources, too; but I think manishevitz is the largest company and can probably offer the best deals. Some brave and very put-together betty-crocker type people will actually make their own matzah. I've tried; but the result reminded me of the raw-hide bones people buy for large excessively salivating dogs. Second, we read all the labels on everything in the freezer and pantry. This is probably going to happen this week. We put in a special area of the pantry everything that contains yeast so that it should be used up by April 1st. Anything not used gets put in a box and goes out to the shed, given away or thrown away. The menu for the week of Unleavened Bread involves a lot of corn tortilla chips (baked in vegetable oil- it's important to check the package label to make sure no animal fat was used), rice, potatoes, oats, and , of course, matzah. We also eat a lot of fresh fruits and vegetables during this week. Sometimes I think there may also be a medicinal value in giving your body a rest from yeast products for a week; yet, by the end of seven days, the children are near pleading for a hamburger. At the same time, peanut butter and jelly matzahs are a huge hit. Most importantly, make this process- the cleansing and refraining, a time of personal reflection and meditation in worship: remembering how the Israelites felt about their leeks and onions and how we so often remember the sins that we left behind with some longing. Remember the forty year journey and eating sweet manna in the wilderness... for forty years. We become discontent with the same menu item twice in the same week! How we forget to be grateful for the providence of Adonai. The doing is not nearly so important as the being. This is not so glib as to say that "it's the thought that counts". Nadab and Abihu probably had great intentions. Yet, remember that we are GROWING in grace and in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior- we're not there yet; and the purpose should be as much our motivation for worship as the process. Wishing you a good Shabbat and a Holy Festival, Mark |
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Post by Yochana on Mar 17, 2007 8:28:44 GMT -8
This is a rabbincal source, but it might provide you with some practical guidance. An Absolutely Very Short Guide to Keeping Kosher for Pesachwww.hagshama.org.il/en/resources/view.asp?id=143After Shabbat I will post some sources for buying Kosher for Passover food on-line. |
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Post by jo-b on Mar 17, 2007 9:18:04 GMT -8
Mark said: Mark matzoh is not kosher, it is parve (neutral), not meat or dairy. Kosher only pertains to the meat and dairy categories, everything else is parve. Basically if you are buying from either a Kosher market, or a Kosher online site, and the products are for Pesach, they will be marked as to whether they are kitniyot (prohibited). Chametz includes anything made from the five major grains (wheat, rye, barley, oats and spelt) that has not been completely cooked within 18 minutes after coming into contact with water. Orthodox Jews of Ashkenazic background also avoid rice, corn, peanuts, and legumes (beans) as if they were chametz. All of these items are commonly used to make bread, thus use of them was prohibited to avoid any confusion. In Orthodoxy the process of cleaning the home of all chametz in preparation for Pesach is an enormous task. To do it right, you must prepare for several weeks and spend several days scrubbing everything down, going over the edges of your stove and fridge with a toothpick and a Q-Tip, covering all surfaces that come in contact with food with foil or shelf-liner, etc., etc., etc. After the cleaning is completed, the morning before the seder, a formal search of the house for chametz is undertaken, and any remaining chametz is burned. I believe that is where the gentiles got the tradition of "spring cleaning"  LOLOL Jo |
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Post by Yochana on Mar 17, 2007 13:16:42 GMT -8
Matzah may be parve, but it is still kosher. Some is Kosher for Passover and Year round use. Other is only Kosher for use other than at Passover. Kosher refers to more than just meat and dairy, it also refers to preparation. An item that is normally kosher can be rendered unkosher if improperly prepared. A good source for info on rabbinical kosher is: www.jewfaq.org/kashrut.htm |
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Post by Yochana on Mar 18, 2007 18:40:29 GMT -8
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Post by Nachshon on Mar 20, 2007 5:23:09 GMT -8
I think it's important to look at the reason the Israelite's bread wasn't leavened. They didn't have time. The book of Sh'mot tells us they didn't leaven it because they didn't have time to let it rise, but tied their kneeding bowls between their knees.
Shalom,
David
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Post by alon on Mar 16, 2015 22:27:31 GMT -8
Pesach 5775 (2015 ) is going to be on us soon (2 1/2 wks), so I thought this was a good post to bring back up.
If you can't do everything they suggest here don't feel like you shouldn't do anything. Like everything else, this is a learning process. I can't do most of this because I live in a divided house. My wife is understanding, but still she thinks this is just another bit of mishigas for me. I also have medical conditions which make some of it impossible. But still I do what I can.
Any way, some good information; and some room for further discussion as well!
Dan C
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Post by Elizabeth on Mar 28, 2015 9:12:21 GMT -8
Now the L-Rd Spoke to Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, saying, "This month shall be your beginnings of months; it shall be the first month of the year to you."
Exodus 12:1-2
I always worry I am asking ridiculous questions, but I used to be very confident that Rosh Hashanah is considered the Jewish New years. I remember it occurring in September. As a matter of fact, in my less-than-admirable secular college days I may have skipped a class or two to "observe" it.
So, once again, what am I missing?
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Post by alon on Mar 28, 2015 10:47:25 GMT -8
Now the L-Rd Spoke to Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, saying, "This month shall be your beginnings of months; it shall be the first month of the year to you." Exodus 12:1-2 I always worry I am asking ridiculous questions, but I used to be very confident that Rosh Hashanah is considered the Jewish New years. I remember it occurring in September. As a matter of fact, in my less-than-admirable secular college days I may have skipped a class or two to "observe" it. So, once again, what am I missing?
1. The first of Nisan
*The  considers Nisan the “first month.” The first commandment that G-d gave to the Jewish people was to sanctify the new year, beginning with the month of Nisan.
*The holiday of Passover, which celebrates the formation of the Jewish people as a nation through their redemption from Egyptian slavery, is marked on the 15th of Nisan.
*The first of Nisan is considered the beginning of the year for calculating festivals and the reigns of the Kings of Israel.
2. The first of Elul
*Elul is the sixth month of the Jewish year.
*The first of Elul is considered the New Year for the tithing of animals.
*Whether an animal is part of the tithe for year “a” or year “b” is determined by whether the animal was born before or after the first of Elul.
3. The first of Tishrei
Tishrei is the seventh month of the Jewish year.
*The first of Tishrei is the holiday of Rosh Hashana, which is the New Year of the calendar by which Jews calculate the year.
*The year’s assigned number is calculated from the creation of Adam.
*Rosh Hashana is also the New Year when a person’s behavior is judged by the Heavenly courts.
*Shevat is the 11th month of the Jewish year.
*Tu B'Shevat, the 15th day of the Jewish month of Shevat, is a holiday also known as the New Year for Trees. This day determines when the fruit of a tree may be harvested and eaten.
Think of it as Jan 1 being a New Year.
* April 15 is the new year for taxes, while businesses time their taxes to a fiscal year that matches their schedule.
* The NFL fiscal year begins at 4 PM EDT on 10 March.
* The school year generally starts in July as school is normally out at this time.
All these are like new years geared to a single calendar year. This is how the Jewish calendar works.
Think of these all as just individual days of commitment to God, and to the IRS (who thinks they have a hold on God because of back taxes on the universe- He never filed.  )
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Post by garrett on Mar 28, 2015 16:44:30 GMT -8
Nicely explained. Thank you.
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Post by alon on Apr 3, 2015 23:59:59 GMT -8
Chag Sameach! I hope you all started your Pesach off well tonight!
I just got back from my first actual Passover Seder. It was held at our synagogue in Wenatchee. Other years the best I have been able to do was find a demonstration Seder close to the actual feast day, attend that and then keep Passover on my own the best I could. So this was a treat in spite of the enemy who came down heavy on me before I left then after I got back home. But he can't rob my joy, and I did enjoy the evening. And the food! Proof positive you can cook good foods without leavening products!
I live in a divided house, so we didn't remove all the leaven from the home. I'll just have to watch what I eat. I did give away some of my snack foods though. And I cleaned some. We all do what we can.
Now if I can just hold out on those hamburgers for seven days ...
Dan C
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Post by alon on Apr 4, 2015 1:16:52 GMT -8
One point the Rabbi made tonight- for those who don't live where there is a Messianic congregation (and for those who do as well); if you are not sure what to do or don't have all the fixin's, just do what you can. If you need instructions or a seder, let us know here and we'll get you something.
Grape juice is a legitimate substitute for wine, and if you don't have that use water. No shank-bone of a lamb? Use any shan-kbone from a kosher animal and just acknowledge it is supposed to be of a lamb and why. No kosher shankbone? Just acknowledge it is supposed to be there but you couldn't get one. I know we all want to do this right- and we should; and it should. But we aren't going to get it all right the first time. And you know what? Every sect in every region has its own traditions as to a proper Seder.
The necessary elements that should be there are:
* a clean house (especially the kitchen)
* the shank-bone (unbroken)
* charoset (basically raisins in a cinnamon, nuts and apple butter paste- and wine if you like)
* bitter herbs(maror), most use parsley and horseradish
* a non-bitter root vegetable
* salt water
* water for washing hands
* some, but not all say a hard-boiled egg
* a Seder, which is basically an order of service
* and as much food (sans leaven) as you can muster!
All that and a good heart and you should be well on your way to a decent Passover! I'm sure there must be tons of recipes for Passover foods online. If there are a few observant friends it's easier if you all divide up the work and get together to fellowship. If not, it's really not that much once the cleaning is done.
Plan ahead next year and eat all the leaven before Pesach so you won't have to throw much out. And look for it- read ingredients. It shows up in the dawg-gonnedest places! It's a wonderful festival you shouldn't miss out on.
For those living with spouses who are not observant, have a demonstration Seder and include them and maybe some friends. Same with those of you who may not (yet) be fully observant. Just make it clear this is NOT a regular Passover Seder so as not to be in violation of God's commandments regarding this feast. And remember to look for Yeshua all through the Seder. He shows up in more places than that dawgone leaven did!
Dan C
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