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Post by alon on Feb 28, 2016 15:17:55 GMT -8
Just a reminder- it is not too early to start making your plans for Pesach, which is 22 April this year (but remember it actually starts on Erev Pesach, Thur evening the 21st- Hebrew calendar 14 Nissan). I know it is over a month and a half away. But for we who are not used to it starting to make preparations early is a good thing.
If you are looking for a demonstration seder or especially a regular seder to attend, these tend to fill up quickly. So start now looking for one. I plan to attend the one given by our parent synagogue, Syn Chavurat HaMashiach. Rav S will be out of the country, helping to start a new synagogue in S. America this year, so our families will be doing their own and our synagogue won't be sponsoring a community seder. That's a good excuse for me to go to Spokane and meet with some of the chaverim there.
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Post by lou on Feb 28, 2016 20:48:15 GMT -8
H4C_Passover_Seder.pdf
This is a great site that explains Pesach well.
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Post by garrett on Feb 28, 2016 20:48:44 GMT -8
It's hard to believe that it's less than two months away! FYI - Yehuda  are pretty good in my opinion. Cook up lots of chicken, potato dishes, boiled eggs, potato pancakes, latkes and boiled eggs. And a touch of horseradish to everything. It's really good. And by the end you will be begging for leavened bread.... Oh, and a nice tasting, kosher grape juice is Kedem. You'll need plenty of that too... |
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Post by alon on Apr 1, 2016 9:03:40 GMT -8
Pesach. Three weeks- let's get started getting ready folks!
Dan (Impatient one) C
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Apr 15, 2016 8:04:56 GMT -8
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 15, 2016 8:04:56 GMT -8
So what's the last day for unleavened bread this year, 4/30, and how many different ways can we count?  |
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Post by alon on Apr 15, 2016 9:10:52 GMT -8
So what's the last day for unleavened bread this year, 4/30, and how many different ways can we count? Exodus 12:17-18 (ESV) And you shall observe the Feast of Unleavened Bread, for on this very day I brought your hosts out of the land of Egypt. Therefore you shall observe this day, throughout your generations, as a statute forever. In the first month, from the fourteenth day of the month at evening, you shall eat unleavened bread until the twenty-first day of the month at evening.
Starting in the evening as Pesach is ending, which would be the next day, we have the feast of unleavened bread. Remember that you are on a Jewish calendar for these feasts, and the days go from evening of one day to evening of the next. The first and last days of Unleaven Bread are full Sabbaths.
So we have Pesach evening of the 21st through day of 22nd. Then starts the 1st day of Unleavened bread through the day of the 23rd. Counting seven evening through daylight days we come to evening on the 28th through the day of the 29th. With Pesach, 1st and last days of Unleavened Bread being full Shabbats. No unnecessary work should be done on them.
The only count is the way the Hebrews did it in the Bible. One day is evening until evening. Pesach is on 14 Nissan (evening of the 21st to 22nd Apr), First day of unleavened bread id 15 Nissan (evening of 22nd to 23rd Apr), and last day of Unleavened bread is 21 Nissan (evening of 28 Apr to 29 Apr).
This is based on the Hillel calendar which is used by most Jews and Messianics. There are others who make their own calendars thinking themselves more spiritual than the rest of us. But they are wrong, possibly even in sin, as none of the various methods are valid until the Temple is rebuilt and the Sanhedrin reseated. Some even spiritualize like the Christians and get all kinds of their own methods thrown in the mix. If you don't learn their methods, then you are not spiritual and thus not saved. This is the same kind of works based crap Rav Sha'ul was fighting over in our Galatians study. My advice is to stick to the Hillel calendar. There you can't go wrong.
If all this is confusing, you may add the 30th as a fence, but still try to keep the preceding day a Shabbat.
Dan C
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Apr 15, 2016 11:26:26 GMT -8
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 15, 2016 11:26:26 GMT -8
My calendar has Passover beginning the evening of April 22nd. Is that where my confusion is? My calendar has been right about other holidays though. Then I counted 8 days according to the extra day practice for people in the diaspora. That's my goal. I am giving myself permission to come off of unleavened bread on the 29th (or whatever the 7th day is) according to the biblical command if it is too stressful on my family though.
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Post by alon on Apr 15, 2016 12:27:59 GMT -8
My calendar has Passover beginning the evening of April 22nd. Is that where my confusion is? My calendar has been right about other holidays though. Then I counted 8 days according to the extra day practice for people in the diaspora. That's my goal. I am giving myself permission to come off of unleavened bread on the 29th (or whatever the 7th day is) according to the biblical command if it is too stressful on my family though. Yes, if you are on a different calendar it would get confusing. Does yours give the method they follow for setting the dates? However I went online, and I am seeing a lot of supposedly Hillel calendars which say Passover is the 23rd of Apr, which would be 15 Adar on the Hebrew calendar. That makes 16 Adar Unleaven Bread; and this is what their calendars say. This doesn't make sense to me as:
Leviticus 23:4-8 ESV “These are the appointed feasts of the Lord, the holy convocations, which you shall proclaim at the time appointed for them. In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at twilight, is the Lord's Passover. And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the Lord; for seven days you shall eat unleavened bread. On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall not do any ordinary work. But you shall present a food offering to the Lord for seven days. On the seventh day is a holy convocation; you shall not do any ordinary work.”
So for us I suppose it depends on which calendar you are using. The main thing is you observe Pesach and Unleavened bread somehow. So far I am seeing no explanations as to the apparent discrepancy, but I'll look some more later. Meanwhile, we are all learning so do what you can and try to find out why the problem.
Dan C
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Apr 15, 2016 14:53:35 GMT -8
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 15, 2016 14:53:35 GMT -8
Ok. It doesn't say what they used on my calendar. It is just a local calendar handed out by the electric company. Not religiously dependable I am sure, but I hadn't ran into any issues using that calendar yet so still surprising.
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Post by alon on Apr 15, 2016 15:12:07 GMT -8
Ok. It doesn't say what they used on my calendar. It is just a local calendar handed out by the electric company. Not religiously dependable I am sure, but I hadn't ran into any issues using that calendar yet so still surprising. In that case they in all probability just list the day of Passover and not the evening, making it conform to the Gregorian calendar. So I am guessing by your calendar would put the evening at the 21st and the day on the 22nd. But of course there is no way of knowing for sure if they do not give the convention they use.
Dan C
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Apr 15, 2016 15:48:03 GMT -8
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Post by Elizabeth on Apr 15, 2016 15:48:03 GMT -8
It actually specifies on the 22nd "at sundown" so I don't think it is Gregorian. I have only seen the 22nd in my searches, but I am unfamiliar with all of the calendar issues and differences. I am making myself anxious over this as I fine tuned all my planning and preparation around the 22nd. For now, I think I need to stick with my original planning.
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Post by garrett on Apr 15, 2016 18:45:10 GMT -8
Pesach. Three weeks- let's get started getting ready folks! Dan (Impatient one) C Boy, you're not kidding... I'm starting to freak out! |
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Post by garrett on Apr 15, 2016 19:00:48 GMT -8
It actually specifies on the 22nd "at sundown" so I don't think it is Gregorian. I have only seen the 22nd in my searches, but I am unfamiliar with all of the calendar issues and differences. I am making myself anxious over this as I fine tuned all my planning and preparation around the 22nd. For now, I think I need to stick with my original planning. I'll gather some more information and get back to you on this but you are correct - Pesach begins on Friday night, the "22nd" at sundown, which is also erev shabbat, when shabbat begins. So Passover also falls on a sabbath. You can also go to Chabad.org to get good information on times and forms of observance, etc. Some of their stuff is pretty informative and helpful. The only thing you'll notice that is missing is (the Messiah). You can also sign up to receive certain emails about important times/topics throughout the year from them. I hope this helps for the time being - garrett I think that above all, during this moed, is mindfulness of the Passover, a Passover mentality, unleavened bread, and sanctification of some of our time each day to devote to this time of observation and prayer to G-d/thanksgiving. We do the best we can do. |
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Post by garrett on Apr 15, 2016 19:23:33 GMT -8
It actually specifies on the 22nd "at sundown" so I don't think it is Gregorian. I have only seen the 22nd in my searches, but I am unfamiliar with all of the calendar issues and differences. I am making myself anxious over this as I fine tuned all my planning and preparation around the 22nd. For now, I think I need to stick with my original planning. Elizabeth - Just to give you some more information to confirm that your dates are correct - This Shabbat (right now April 15-16) is Shabbat HaGadol, which is the "Great Shabbat" that occurs every year just prior to Pesach. Also, next Friday the 22nd is the Fast of the Firstborn (with regard to the first-born who were spared from being killed by Pharoah). The Fast of the Firstborn occurs next Friday, the 22nd, just before the beginning of Passover. This fast always occurs directly before Passover - unless a Passover occurs directly on Shabbat, on which there is no fasting (that's just a side note). My hope was to place a couple of other important days in the scheme of things so we can all know when the observation of Passover begins. If my memory serves me correctly, all this information is good. garrett edit: I think I meant to say that the fast always occurs directly before Passover - unless the "fast" occurs on a Sabbath, in which case this would not be done, because it's a sabbath. |
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Post by alon on Apr 15, 2016 22:32:57 GMT -8
It actually specifies on the 22nd "at sundown" so I don't think it is Gregorian. I have only seen the 22nd in my searches, but I am unfamiliar with all of the calendar issues and differences. I am making myself anxious over this as I fine tuned all my planning and preparation around the 22nd. For now, I think I need to stick with my original planning. Then I don't know. I am looking into it, and have some feelers out- but honestly, there is some confusion as to why this would be the case.
Dan C
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are pretty good in my opinion. Cook up lots of chicken, potato dishes, boiled eggs, potato pancakes, latkes and boiled eggs. And a touch of horseradish to everything. It's really good. 
