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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on May 21, 2006 22:43:15 GMT -8
What sacrifices do you think are still possible to perform today without a temple?
Shalom,
Reuel
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Post by inthewind on Aug 15, 2006 18:20:56 GMT -8
Since the feasts require sacrifices to be offered, is it technically a violation of to observe the feasts? I believe not, since there is no temple and a sacrifice cannot be made, the observable portion is still valid? Is there any scripture to support this?
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Aug 15, 2006 23:15:42 GMT -8
The prophets (such as Yirmeyahu/Jeremiah) when sent into exile with Yisrael continued to keep and remember it to the best of their ability. So do we. But, truly it would be unlawful at this time to perform the sacrifices mentioned in connection with the Moedim. At this time they are memorials. Anything directly dependant upon The Temple are not possible to perform. According to , without the priesthood and The Temple, it would be a death penalty offense to perform an animal sacrifice. Read the book of Yechezk'el (Ezek.) very carefully and you will see that Messiah, The Prince, will make the subject of "sacrifice" very clear and will set it in it's proper place. For discussion on this subject please visit the thread specifically dealing with the Temple and the priesthood. theloveofgod.proboards3.com/index.cgi?board=messianic&action=display&n=1&thread=65&page=1Shalom, Reuel
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Post by Mark on Aug 16, 2006 3:47:36 GMT -8
When celebrating Passover, I am always clear to specify that we are not keeping Passover; but remembering it with the Passover Seder. Passover, Shavaot, and Sukkot are all described in Deuteronomy 16 as only allowable in Jerusalem (the place chosen by Adonai to cause His name to dwell). At the same time, we are commanded to "remember" and to teach all of the commands of . Our celebration of these festivals is as much a mitzvah because we are worshiping Adonai in His prescribed manner so that we will not forget. And should He grant us His Temple in this lifetime, we will be able to perform these commandments as He has specified because we have remembered. And should He tarry, our children will be prepared for the hope of which we are all awaiting.
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Post by inthewind on Aug 16, 2006 5:50:09 GMT -8
Yes, I read that thread and do understand your responses. On another forum the issue of violating was given because of the requirement to sacrifice, therefore, the feasts if kept, are a violation. The rebuttle was refuted because of the Leviticus sacrifice requirement. Since no "sensible" response is accepted I was wondering if there was scripture to back it. Along with the scripture to sacrfice there is also scripture without it. L ev 23:41 And ye shall keep it a feast unto the LORD seven days in the year. [It shall be] a statute for ever in your generations: ye shall celebrate it in the seventh month.I wanted to be sure I was not off track. Thanks
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Post by Blake on Aug 16, 2006 15:01:37 GMT -8
What sacrifices do you think are still possible to perform today without a temple? Shalom, Reuel The Pesach lamb sacrifice took place before the temple or tabernacle were ever built.
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Aug 27, 2006 18:26:06 GMT -8
Mark,
I think you communicated it well...
Shalom chaverim and may you enjoy our upcoming moed...
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Post by Glenda on Oct 13, 2006 22:42:03 GMT -8
Just another perspective from a novice ... Life is in the blood and is given for us to sacrifice on the altar. Yeshua referred to us as sheep. We can deny 'self' and sacrifice our blood ie life (not 'death') to YHWH as Yeshua did ... take up our cross 'daily' and give our lives (blood) in service to YHWH. This way God can have His sheep sacrificed to Him daily as He commands. He requires to be worshipped in Spirit and Truth and Yeshua said the time was coming and 'now is' (when Yeshua walked the earth and was sacrificing himself daily) when neither at this place or the temple would be where people worshipped YHWH. Blood/life sacrifice should still be visibly happening ... let people see your good works and glorify YHWH. Blood/life sacrifice atones Yeshua said 'follow me'. Obedience is love.
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Oct 18, 2006 22:34:01 GMT -8
Amein. A Hebrew word for sacrifice is "korban" which can also mean to draw close. Our love shown through our sacrifice and obedience draws us close to our Heavenly Father.
Shalom,
Reuel
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