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Post by messimom on Aug 6, 2005 22:34:18 GMT -8
I'm amazed that with all of the different posts and subjects here I haven't found anything yet concerning the "art" of Jewish mysticism, Kaballah. That being said, I'd like to know peoples comments. There is a story in the news, no doubt many have heard it, about the curse that was put on Sharon this week by some 20 or 30 (I forget which number) Jews (maybe rabbis) because of this Gaza mess. I am including the link to one of the many reports on this development. But first my opinion concerning kaballah.... I know very little about the subject. However, I believe that you need not steer clear from it, as I believe that there are some very positive aspects of that mindset in Judiasm. As I understand it, kaballists are/were the main ones to institute the method of pardes when interpreting  , and have contributed other positive steps forward for Judiasm and in general our understanding of YHVH. I feel, like pretty much everything else in life, that it needs to be approached with caution and prayer and only in moderation. I know that people can get lost in the mysticism and stray far from YHVH. So, that being said, and with the current events in mind, I was wondering others' opinions on the subject and experiences others have had with the subject... PS. I'm not talking about Madonna's version of Kabbalah.  Click here for articleShavua Tov Messimom |
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Post by Chizuk Emunah on Aug 8, 2005 14:23:30 GMT -8
Shalom Messimom, Although it hasn't been discussed at length, and should only be studied by those who have a firm foundation in , it has been mentioned in this board Messianic Eschatology & Theology under these threads: Essence of Moshiach & the Trinity. As for the curse, it is said that anyone who gives away HaShem's land deserves what befalls them (ie...Yitzak Rabin). |
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Post by Blake on Aug 9, 2005 15:07:08 GMT -8
Quabballah is Babylonian Magic adopted by Jews during the Captivity and further expounded by Gnostic Pagan Jews and Hellenists.
I suggest staying away from such Satanic nonsense.
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Aug 10, 2005 16:58:06 GMT -8
Thank you for sharing the article. Very interesting...
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Post by Pioneer on Sept 21, 2005 20:54:52 GMT -8
John the Gospel is Kabballistic. John shows an unusual side of Yeshua, hidden, mysterious or spiritual. Sod level all the way.
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Post by Chizuk Emunah on Sept 22, 2005 16:27:24 GMT -8
Absolutely.
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Post by The 614th Mitzvot on Oct 31, 2005 18:51:19 GMT -8
People often try to classify all kabbalism. Not all of it is "evil". The majority of kabbalah is chasidut, kaballah that we should know and use daily. However there is some kabbalah that tries to control other worldly things and use powers; this has caused men to go insane. Sefer Yochanan is 100% chasidut.
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Post by Chizuk Emunah on Nov 3, 2005 6:02:11 GMT -8
Knowledge of Kabbalah in and of itself is not evil and has nothing to do with the Occult.
However, there is the possibility for that knowledge to be abused and used for evil purposes.
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Post by Pawn of Potential on Jun 23, 2007 19:36:35 GMT -8
What about the Kabbalah that links with the "Tree of life" and tarot? I have heard of this version of the tree of life associated with "magick" . . .what about the hebrew/number system is that not associated with some sort of arithmancy or numerology?
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Post by Nachshon on Jun 24, 2007 13:35:20 GMT -8
I may be the only person on earth of this opinion, but here it goes: I think that Kaballah is a corrupted form of true Jewish mysticism. That is why so many people say that John is Kabbalistic, because he appears so. There is a great deal of truth in Kaballah, but it is not entirely accurate.
Basically, you cannot believe the Bible without believing in mysticism. It's not possible, especially if you're a trinitarian (which I am not).
I like to refer to the mysticism that Ribi Yehoshu'a and the Talmidim taught as "Hechalah" because it revolves around the Temple so much. Just my own private joke. :mrgreen:
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Post by Pawn of Potential on Jun 25, 2007 3:17:10 GMT -8
I am a natural mystic of sorts, and find several ideas of kabbalah that i have run into such as "tikkun olam" very interesting . . . I am just curious as to the overlap of it . . .because it brings up various philosophical/theological questions for me . . .such as the tree of life and tarot thing before mentioned. To see what I am talking about you can check out this website www.meta-religion.com/Esoterism/Kabbalah/tarot_and_the_kabbalah.htmCrowely, I believe is the founder of said "magick" and which has evolved into "wicca" The fact that people can link said worlds together is cause for concern, I believe, however . . .if it can still promote ideals such as "tikkun olam" it still does have some interesting factors does it not? |
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Post by Mark on Jun 25, 2007 3:51:37 GMT -8
I think this line of thinking is not far removed from what we see in mainstream Chritsianity's discussion of the "Bible Codes" theory. There is unquestionably evidence to support that using this system of approach, we can learn many things that we hadn't realized were there. Itis just as the stars were put into the sky "for signs and seasons". There is something to the art of astrology that has biblical merit. Yet, just because it exists and it is available to us does not make it okay for our practice.
Deu 18:10-12 KJV There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, (11) Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. (12) For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.
It is necessary to recognize that there is a spiritual significance and power to things that we don't clearly understand. Paul suggests by his example that we ought not be ignorant of satan's devices (2nd Corinthians 2:11). Yet we are not at liberty to manipulate the spiritual nature of things for own purposes (even or especially if those purposes are simply the satisfaction of our curiosity). We are dabbling with holy things.
Kalabah is not just whispy mysticism and has some very well thought out teachings on very down-to-earth halecha (religious practice). As someone suggested earlier, it is the fringe elements that get the press and so we get a scewed perspective because all we usually hear about is the perspective that is devant from the norm.
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Post by Yitzchak on Jun 25, 2007 8:26:19 GMT -8
Mark, I think you make a fine point here. Most people are totally ignorant as to what the true Kabbalah of Judaism is about. As has been stated previously, Kabbalah is considered something to be studied only by those with a sound foundation in . Many would be very surprised at how often there are allusions to the Kabbalistic writings within the Brit Chadasha. Not only in Yochanan, but even within some of the thoughts of Rav Shaul. It is through Kabbalah that one learns that the Wisdom/Chochma of G-d can be considered a unique entity with its own divinity. Tie this together with the teachings of the Chazal regarding Proverbs 8, and we can easily prove that the Living made flesh represents this Chochma/Wisdom of G-d spoken of in Proverbs 8 that the Rabbi's would also attribute to the . The true Kabbalah of Judaism, which includes the Behar, a work which even predates Zohar, does nothing more than prove that Yeshua is the Moshiach. Shalom, Yitzchak |
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Post by Nachshon on Jun 25, 2007 11:26:13 GMT -8
For interested parties, here is the Zohar online. Shalom, Nachshon |
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Post by Pawn of Potential on Jun 26, 2007 3:37:50 GMT -8
. . .Hmm . . .something to think about I guess . . .
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, and have contributed other positive steps forward for Judiasm and in general our understanding of YHVH. I feel, like pretty much everything else in life, that it needs to be approached with caution and prayer and only in moderation. I know that people can get lost in the mysticism and stray far from YHVH. So, that being said, and with the current events in mind, I was wondering others' opinions on the subject and experiences others have had with the subject...
