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Post by Yitzchak on Jun 26, 2007 20:13:32 GMT -8
For interested parties, here is the Zohar online. Shalom, Nachshon While I believe it is important to clear up misconceptions that people have about Kabbalah, I am not sure that it is something that we should be promoting that people read. After all, if you look at it simply from a Judaic standpoint, one is required to be well versed in  , as well as having reached the age of 40 before delving into this book. Shalom, Yitzchak |
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Post by Nachshon on Jun 27, 2007 4:31:46 GMT -8
True, Yitzchak. In spite of the fact that I've already read large portions of it. I think it helps being generally skeptical of things.
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Jul 12, 2007 23:18:10 GMT -8
Yes, I think that one should spend most of his/her time studying the scriptures, learn Hebrew, learn the brachot, and focus on the weightier matters of before throwing themselves into study of the Kaballah. I agree with Mark and Yitzchak in regards to their thoughts. Kaballistic thought style can be found in the Brit Chadashah. I also think that a cursory understanding of Kaballah can help when it comes to talking to a Religious Jew whom understands the concepts of Kaballah when it comes to proving that Yeshua The Messiah can indeed be a manifestation directly from YHVH in which His word could have become flesh and manifested itself to us, but at the same time is directly part of the Being we know as YHVH, The Elohim of Yisrael. Shalom, Reuel |
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Post by Nachshon on Jul 15, 2007 8:46:46 GMT -8
Reuel, you know what is really helpful in understanding the Word becoming flesh? It's to understand the Targum used by the Dead Sea Sect and the Samaritans. In first century Jewish theology the "Command" or "Word" of God was the absolute most personal manifestation of God possible. When you've explored their ideas on this, John 1 starts making even more sense than ever before.
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Post by Yitzchak on Jul 19, 2007 19:38:12 GMT -8
It is the study of the "Memra" and the Tagum that first led me to start seeking the understanding of the deity of Yeshua strictly from the ancient Judaic literature like the Behar and Zohar.
When all of these concepts are tied together it is easy to make an argument for Yeshua being the Chochma of G-d in the flesh, and being able to be distinct from HaShem.
Shalom,
Yitzchak
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Post by Nachshon on Jul 20, 2007 3:31:10 GMT -8
Yitzchak, from my study of Kaballah and Scripture, I would say that it's more likely that R. Yehoshu'a was the hochma of Elohim, i.e. the , the architect of the universe, and the very first creation, according to Mishley 8. |
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Post by Yitzchak on Jul 20, 2007 7:54:15 GMT -8
Yitzchak, from my study of Kaballah and Scripture, I would say that it's more likely that R. Yehoshu'a was the hochma of Elohim, i.e. the , the architect of the universe, and the very first creation, according to Mishley 8. There is no question that Mishley 8 is a clear picture of Yeshua as the /Architect, and this has been something I have been teaching for many years. The Rabbi's teach that this passage speaks of the , and this is where the attribute divinity to the . They also proclaim through Mishley 8 "that it is by and through that the world was created" The only thing that I would questions is your use of the term "very first creation". Am I to assume from this that you do not accept the deity of Yeshua? Shalom, Yitzchak |
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Post by Nachshon on Jul 20, 2007 13:15:05 GMT -8
I'm sorry, a poor choice of words on my part. He was the very first thing to exist outside of the Ein Soph, but was not apart from the Ein Soph. He was emanated, and is a part and attribute of God.
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Post by Yitzchak on Jul 31, 2007 19:10:51 GMT -8
I'm sorry, a poor choice of words on my part. He was the very first thing to exist outside of the Ein Soph, but was not apart from the Ein Soph. He was emanated, and is a part and attribute of God. This would be my position as well. Thanks for clarifying your position. Shalom, Yitzchak |
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, as well as having reached the age of 40 before delving into this book.
