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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on May 2, 2004 20:29:06 GMT -8
Is Messiah Jewish?
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Post by RoRK on Jun 3, 2005 21:39:57 GMT -8
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This reply was initially to my testimony found by visiting the following link:
Reuel's Testimony
This thread, "Is Messiah Jewish" was sparked by RoRK's subsequent replies. That is why this thread has been transplanted here. Thank you for your understanding.Shalom I have taken to asking Christians what teachings Yeshua followed while he was on earth. This seems to make them think quite a bit. I then tell them that Yeshua's time on earth can be separated into 3 stages/parts: 1) From birth to just before His Sermon on the Mount 2) Sermon on the Mount until His Crucifixion 3) From His Resurrection until he ascended to Heaven I then ask them what teachings Yeshua followed in each of these 3 stages. Surprisingly, all answered "Judaism". I then ask them that if Yeshua practiced Judaism and preached Judaism, then why are they not doing the same. I encourage all Messianic's to follow this process of questioning because it allows Christians to open up their minds as to what it is that they are following and what they should be following. In God's Grace RoRK
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Jun 4, 2005 19:29:11 GMT -8
Yes, I agree that we need to remind people that they are serving a Jewish Messiah. Another important discussion to immediately have with them is a study on what sin is. When people realize what the definition of sin is and they actually wish to avoid it...it is one of the keys that opens the door to  observance. Shalom RoRk, Reuel |
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Post by RoRK on Jun 5, 2005 2:13:22 GMT -8
Shalom Reuel
I think it is best not to put a racial tag on God. When Yeshua was on earth, He was Jewish. I doubt if He is one now.
We must look at things form a inclusive perspective instead of an exclusive one. This is the best way to spread His Word. As long as we adhere to all of His teachings, we will do well.
In God's Grace
RoRK
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Jun 5, 2005 21:30:42 GMT -8
If He can be described as The Lion from the tribe of Judah (Rev. 5:5)....than we can indeed describe Him as our Jewish Messiah. People need to know whom they are serving....A Jewish, observant King. We do no service to them by watering it down. Shalom b'shem HaArieh asher hu meshevet Yehudah (Shalom in the name of the Lion of the tribe of Judah), Reuel |
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Post by RoRK on Jun 6, 2005 6:30:54 GMT -8
Shalom Reuel
We do service to no other than God. Think of His two most important commandments and you should do well.
Your argument lacks either. Think inclusion rather than exclusion but FIRSTLY think of Him. Not you or them.
In God's Grace
RoRK
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Jun 6, 2005 18:24:30 GMT -8
Shalom RoRK, Having a Jewish Messiah does not exclude anyone...unless of course that one is anti-semetic.  It doesn't matter what I think. Messiah is the lion from the Tribe of Judah. Now, if someone is from the Tribe of Judah we can safely assume such a one falls into the category of "Jewish"...assuming when He comes back He will still be the Lion from the tribe of Judah. There is no debate. He is our Jewish Messiah.  Think about it...the disciples and Yeshua's friends and family eventually recognized Him. This means that he maintained many of the physical features for someone to recognize Him. If this is true and He was recognizable from His features after His resurrection and receiving His resurrected body, we can safely assume that these features are the ones He was born with....Jewish features...making Him Jewish. This would make a good thread if it goes any further Blessings in Him, Reuel |
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Post by Mercedes on Jun 7, 2005 10:40:53 GMT -8
Shalom,
I must agree with Reuel and scripture in this. The closing words of our Lord in Revelation 16: "I Yeshua sent my angel to testify these things to you over the ecclesia's. I am the Root and offspring of David"
The word offspring is "Genos" as in Genealogy. It is the Lord himself in John's vision well after his resurrection who is boasting of this tribe.
Shalom,
Mercedes
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Post by Eli Yeshua on Jun 8, 2005 11:51:49 GMT -8
I'll add here (slightly off the current topic and back to the original premise of this thread) Reuel, this was a most revealing and wonderful testimony. Thank you for sharing. You've gven us a rich look into your troubled past, your calling and your Yah-inspired present life. Thank you for that. It gives us strength to learn that we each share in the same struggles of this cruel world and are called and drawn to the service of our Father by the same Ruach. Praise be to the Most High and to his Messiah. I hope that wonderful wife of yours is well  Shalom, Eli Yeshua Message from Admin:
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Post by Chizuk Emunah on Jun 8, 2005 13:41:00 GMT -8
Amein.
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Jun 8, 2005 21:09:55 GMT -8
Todah chaverim And, good point Mercedes...I missed that one... |
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Post by RoRK on Jun 10, 2005 4:09:47 GMT -8
Shalom
Why can't you understand God??? How can God be Jewish or Swedish or Japanese or English. Please. If you say you know God then why do you say such things? One line of Scripture or even 100 does not support your claim and never will.
God is God. he is not of us and we not of Him thought we may be made in his light. To say that God is Jewish is to say that he is human. You really have to understand God. And if you don't, then take your time but please refrain from saying that he is Jewish. He was. He isn't. And if you understand the Scriptures, you will know that he will never be Jewish again.
Abraham was chosen and thus, was his seed. And to help fulfill God's prophesies. To seek anything more is to find something less.
God is God.
In God's Grace.
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Jun 10, 2005 8:51:00 GMT -8
Shalom RoRK,
Please watch your words...
Comments like the above are unacceptable here on the boards. Please take it seriously.
With all do respect, scripture clearly communicates that this is the case...and indeed communicates this after Yeshua's resurrection. Your argument is with the word of G'd as this has already been clearly demonstrated.
Did not the Father write the TeNaKh in Hebrew?...not Swede, or Japanese....He has chosen how He would manifest Himself.
Your argument is with scripture as we have already clearly demonstrated that it indeed does.
True...this is why we listen to His word and not the word of someone else. Should we honor your words and your understanding over that of what scripture clearly states?
Did He not come in the flesh? You have read the first chapter of Yochanan (John), have you not?
Are you speaking to us, or the scriptures? Because the scriptures are what make this claim...we are simply echoing that claim.
Then your argument is with Yochanan (John), but I agree with the disciple of Yeshua whom knew Him much better.
Again, your statement is in direct disagreement with the very clear words of scripture. We simply cannot take your words over that of scripture. I hope you understand.
B'shem Yeshua HaMashiach,
Reuel
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Post by Mercedes on Jun 10, 2005 12:57:34 GMT -8
Shalom Rork, Well here we go again back to the council of Antioch 264-268 A.D. when this very doctrine of flesh/human is first disputed. And it will be comforting to you Rork to find that they voted in your favor. The trinity of God is a holy Pyramid, a great Rock that millions hold on to. (two catholic logos of holy pyramid):www.trinity.nsw.edu.au/untilities/images/logos/TrinityCrest_sm.jpgwww.catholicculture.org/Images/Logos/trinity.gifBut to hold on to that Rock one must deny the son as an actual son of his father. After all they teach that the Father came down dressed as a lamb, hung himself on a stake, raised himself and discarded the sheep's clothing. Rev 5:6 "In the midst of the elders was a lamb standing as having been slain, and he came and took the scroll out of the right hand of him sitting on the throne"When I asked the Lord about his family he replied gently, I have given you a family as a shadow of the realities of heavenly things. Many of you were given Sons as I also was given sons but this right you deny the father, thereby denying the son also. I am writing an article on this pyramid Rock starting with Daniel 11:38 "Heedless of his fathers' gods', heedless of any god whatever, instead of them he will honor the god of the Rock." (Maoz 4581 Rock, defense, fortress) Mercedes |
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Post by Chizuk Emunah on Jun 10, 2005 15:09:03 GMT -8
RoRK,
I'm sorry, but I must disagree with you. Very few people today would debate the fact that Y'hoshua ben-Yosef was Jewish. To deny that is to deny that he is the Messiah of the Jews. True, salvation is available to Jews and Goyim alike, but it is only made available through the Jewish faith.
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