Kathy
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Post by Kathy on Apr 5, 2005 7:34:04 GMT -8
I was in a mixxed group and someone said now lets all speak in tongues and a man couldnt get out of the room quick enough , very  , my experience is not much following of scripture in regards to this subject .But it is very clear that there are diferent tongues 1 for G_d and 1 forpeople at least , maybe more . I,m very concerned about all the (prophecing ) I had an experience . A person who very out spokenly claims the gift , was in oneg and loudly said if you are having problems come up you are not in G_Ds will , me being so quiet and shy  spoke right up , I said , What about Paul ,and John all the men in the bible ( new testament , I call it chapter 2 ) They all were killed you mean to say they were out of G_ds wiil? , anyway no comments back ,but all this personal prophecy makes me uncomfortable , seems to close to fortune telling , I understood that prophecy should be judged by the prophets , and I,m not seeing much conviction and turning from sin , so much is blessing blessing blessing , which I believe in but there is something that doesnt sit right with me I donot have alot of answers but alot of ??s anybody got anything ?? |
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Post by Digitaria on Apr 5, 2005 18:54:52 GMT -8
Hi Everyone,
I think that spiritual gifts are distributed to each one of us according to our own personal understanding.
Each of us has different qualities the only difference between one believer and another is whether they have been tried of their faith and are deemed suitable vessels for G-ds spirit to operate alongside.
Before Saul was made king of Israel he was told by the prophet that a number of signs would occur before him in one day, he was told what would happen and that he was to let the spirit become operable upon him and that he should do what he could, he proceeded to do like the prophets speaking the pronouncements of G-d, although we do not have a word for word account of what the words were that were spoken or in any of the cases were spirit becomes operable upon another being to speak in another language or voice not originating with ourselves.
What was actually spoken seems to be of less importance than the experience itself.
The speaking of tongues is first recorded in Babylon when G-d is said to have given command to confuse the language of the people so that they would be confused and not amount to anything, so the speaking of tongues is a hindrance and a confusion to those hearing if it is not understood.
In the case of the apostles speaking in tongues, I had a think about this where Lord Jesus says that they would be given power after the appointed amount of days and I likened this to when Lord Jesus fasted forty days before commencing his ministry.
The forty days could either have been the the thirty days plus ten days of the sixth and seventh month regarding repentance from sin, which I dont think is likely because warning someone to repent and saying the kingdom of G-d is drawing near after the event seems a little pointless; or the forty days could be more likely the period of time from pesach/passover to pentecost. Pentecost which means forty, the period beween the counting of the Omer, after this time and after Lord Jesus had crossed over he said the apostles would receive power and holy spirit would come upon them, they became changed men when the spirit became operable upon their souls as also did King Saul.
It seems to be that power of holy spirit is significant to a period of supplication as in the case of the delivery of law into the hand of Moses again after a forty day period. Receiving power as an agent of G-d may depend on him having a work for you to complete a ministry and a point, unlike the people who speak not from G-d but from a source not originating good and truth but from the mouth of a deceptive spirit.
Holy spirit when operable upon us gives us courage even to run against a maurader band, holy spirit gives us courage like all gifts of the spirit it becomes operable upon us in that day, especially when giving wittness about our faith and about the witness we give about
G-d and about Jesus my King.
Love Ya
Lisa
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Apr 5, 2005 23:17:02 GMT -8
Welcome Kathy and Digitaria  I agree, He gives power as it is needed...not so we can be puffed up and run around claiming to have a gift. If we are not following His commandments, we will not recieve the power and gifts that we ask for. Shalom chaverim (Peace friends), Reuel |
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Post by Vaneide on May 31, 2005 13:14:00 GMT -8
Shalom everyone,
I do believe in the spiritual gifts, because I come from a pentecostal church, and the most important the Bible say about it. But, I would like to know more about the dreams, I know the bible say about the dreams and vision too. For example: Can people interpreter drems today like Josef and Daniel did?
Vaneide.
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Post by Chizuk Emunah on May 31, 2005 13:36:37 GMT -8
I would say so. I see no reason for that not to happen.
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Post by Vaneide on Jun 1, 2005 13:43:43 GMT -8
OK, I have been dreaming the same dream about 3 years. I Dream that I am looking for the Ruach hakadosh River, and I want to dive in his River. In my dreams I can see so many rivers, but those rivers are not deep, and I can see lots of people very happy in to those rivers, and the river that I am looking for is deep as a sea. Also in my dreams I can see dry places.
What its mean?
Vaneide.
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Post by Vaneide on Jun 18, 2005 13:57:19 GMT -8
Shalom everyone,
I know that the topic is not for interpret dreams, and I think the interpretation of dreams, is a spiritual gift. But, I never seen in this day people with this gift as Daniel and Josef had.
Vaneide.
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Jun 18, 2005 14:34:32 GMT -8
I believe that the rivers are various organizations that proclaim trust in Messiah and G'd.. The dry places represent the lack of spiritual roots necessary to dive into the deep river of the Ruach HaKodesh...
"And another fell on the stony place where it did not have much earth. And it sprang up at once, due to not having deepness of earth. And the sun rising, it was scorched. And through not having root, it was dried out."
- Mat.13:5-6
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Post by Chizuk Emunah on Jun 18, 2005 20:15:58 GMT -8
Good interpretation Reuel!
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Post by Vaneide on Jun 19, 2005 0:22:17 GMT -8
I believe that the rivers are various organizations that proclaim trust in Messiah and G'd.. The dry places represent the lack of spiritual roots necessary to dive into the deep river of the Ruach HaKodesh... "And another fell on the stony place where it did not have much earth. And it sprang up at once, due to not having deepness of earth. And the sun rising, it was scorched. And through not having root, it was dried out." - Mat.4:5-6 Shalom Rayn, Very interesting your interpratation, I will think about. Another day I was reading in a Messianic site, and they said that river mean  too. Did you want to say Mt 13:5-6? Vaneide. |
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Jun 19, 2005 16:36:43 GMT -8
Yes. Good catch. Sorry about that  |
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Post by Vaneide on Jun 20, 2005 12:58:24 GMT -8
No problem,
Van.
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Post by LovingNeighbor on Jul 23, 2005 11:19:46 GMT -8
Shalom all,
I tend to think that there are very few actual spiritual gifts given to people now. Most people like the pharisees want to get get baptised but maybe for the wrong reasons want spritual gifts. the gifts aren't given for you to use for your purpose or to wear around like some jewelry to show off. YHWH takes the humble and gives them gifts needed to do his will and it's ussualy given for the event not given and stored up for them to access when they want.
That would blur the line that the power comes from YHWH and not that they posses any power. TO think that YHWH would use one of us should humble us in our unworthiness. it reminds me of the verse an evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign. What about just loving and believing in the unseen Elohim. Please refrain from wild wonderful stories and powers and focus on keeping the commandments I think you'll be better off.
Shalom
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, my experience is not much following of scripture in regards to this subject .But it is very clear that there are diferent tongues 1 for G_d and 1 forpeople at least , maybe more . I,m very concerned about all the (prophecing ) I had an experience . A person who very out spokenly claims the gift , was in oneg and loudly said if you are having problems come up you are not in G_Ds will , me being so quiet and shy 
spoke right up , I said , What about Paul ,and John all the men in the bible ( new testament , I call it chapter 2 ) They all were killed you mean to say they were out of G_ds wiil? , anyway no comments back ,but all this personal prophecy makes me uncomfortable , seems to close to fortune telling , I understood that prophecy should be judged by the prophets , and I,m not seeing much conviction and turning from sin , so much is blessing blessing blessing , which I believe in but there is something that doesnt sit right with me I donot have alot of answers but alot of ??s anybody got anything ??
too.
