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Post by mystic on Sept 6, 2021 2:55:56 GMT -8
Oh geez, I got caught with this Holiday/Occasion upon me. Can you tell me how this should be observed or celebrated as a Christian please?
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Post by alon on Sept 6, 2021 4:07:00 GMT -8
Oh geez, I got caught with this Holiday/Occasion upon me. Can you tell me how this should be observed or celebrated as a Christian please?
If you can find a good congregation within traveling distance you should congregate with them on the days of the moedim. If not, just do the best you can at home, but definitely mark and keep the days set apart.
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Post by mystic on Sept 6, 2021 5:12:13 GMT -8
Thanks, I am confused about any Sabbath days, since it starts this evening, is tomorrow a Sabbath? Also, should one light a candle on each of the 10 nights?
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Post by alon on Sept 6, 2021 5:27:03 GMT -8
Thanks, I am confused about any Sabbath days, since it starts this evening, is tomorrow a Sabbath? Also, should one light a candle on each of the 10 nights? |
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Post by mystic on Sept 6, 2021 5:41:23 GMT -8
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Post by alon on Sept 6, 2021 6:42:54 GMT -8
Since Chabad is an Orthodox site, read the prayers carefully and with discernment. But certainly saying the prayers can enhance your experience and draw you closer to Elohim; IF you read them understanding what they mean.
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Post by mystic on Sept 6, 2021 7:11:54 GMT -8
Thanks for the help!
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Post by mystic on Sept 11, 2021 5:01:35 GMT -8
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Post by alon on Sept 11, 2021 6:58:16 GMT -8
This is the problem with marrying Orthodox Judaism and Christianity. You can't. They are diametrically opposed religions, neither being practiced in the 1st cen or before and certainly never agreeing on the Jewish Messiah, Yeshua. One tried to erase His memory from Judaism, the other remade Him in their own image and all too often makes of Him more an idol tan a savior.
Not to say they cannot be right about some things. If you are wanting to say Jewish prayers, my advice is to first find a site for one of the less extremist sects of Judaism. And again, say any prayer you are sure you understand and agree with. You don't have to say any rote prayers, ut if you do my only caution is do not let them replace or get in the way of any prayers from the heart. The main thing is that they all lead you to repentance and thus closer to Elohim.
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Post by mystic on Sept 11, 2021 9:41:48 GMT -8
This is the problem with marrying Orthodox Judaism and Christianity. You can't. They are diametrically opposed religions, neither being practiced in the 1st cen or before and certainly never agreeing on the Jewish Messiah, Yeshua. One tried to erase His memory from Judaism, the other remade Him in their own image and all too often makes of Him more an idol tan a savior.
Not to say they cannot be right about some things. If you are wanting to say Jewish prayers, my advice is to first find a site for one of the less extremist sects of Judaism. And again, say any prayer you are sure you understand and agree with. You don't have to say any rote prayers, ut if you do my only caution is do not let them replace or get in the way of any prayers from the heart. The main thing is that they all lead you to repentance and thus closer to Elohim. Yes, Judaism makes Christ about idolatry than Savior and I think a lot of Christian churches which have statues of Christ is what spearheads this problem. Just last night I was looking at some documentaries on youtube regarding Ethiopian Jews making Aliyah. The report shows that Israel does not consider anyone in Christ to be Jewish so they do not qualify and only way to qualify would be for them to convert to Judaism and only through the Orthodox methods which is the only way they will be considered to be truly Jewish. That then will qualify them so a lot of Ethiopians have been on the waiting list for over 20 years because of this situation. This worries me also because my donations to IFCJ is also for Aliyah purposes which means I might be supporting a discriminatory situation? It's not that I am "looking" for prayers to recite on Yom Kippur but rather I am looking in to any possible "commanded" prayers for that day? |
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Post by alon on Sept 11, 2021 14:51:41 GMT -8
It's not that I am "looking" for prayers to recite on Yom Kippur but rather I am looking in to any possible "commanded" prayers for that day?
So Wednesday the 15th at sundown to Thursday at sundown is a Shabbat, and the holiest day of the year. You/we are also commanded to fast; "you shall afflict yourselves." Chabad will tell you this means not eating, drinking, or bathing for the day. Most Meshiachim only say this means do not eat anything. We do agree with Chabad on placing a fence on the day. Most just do 1/2 hr. before sunset on the 15th, and 1/2 hr. after sunset the 16th. This is not a day you want to mess up the fast on. Not that you can't be forgiven, but planning to fail does make this a more egregious sin.
I see no commandment in Torah for any specific prayers, and can't think of any in scripture either. Doesn't mean there aren't any, just that my increasingly more finite brain doesn't recall any.
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Post by mystic on Sept 12, 2021 3:00:36 GMT -8
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Post by alon on Sept 12, 2021 10:16:38 GMT -8
Again, that's Chabad; and the Orthodox do it different. So no, most (can't speak for all) Messianics do not keep this tradition. Nor do we agree with their reasoning. The artical refers to Vayikra 23:32:- "And you shall afflict your souls on the ninth day of the month at evening" (Leviticus 23:32b)But as they say the normal biblical reference is:
- “From evening to evening [shall you observe your day of rest],” (Leviticus 23:32c) That's just one biblical day.
Leviticus 23:32 (ESV) It shall be to you a Sabbath of solemn rest, and you shall afflict yourselves. On the ninth day of the month beginning at evening, from evening to evening shall you keep your Sabbath.”
The reference to the 9th is simply that the fast would begin at sundown on the 9th, which is when the 10th would start. We fast the entire day of the 10th. It does not mean a 2 day fast. The Orthodox come to the same conclusion that it is only a one day fast, but they do t by a convoluted interpretation from which they draw their tradition of 2 festive meals on the 9th and the idea that if they gorge themselves the day before the fast HaShem sees it as though they fasted 2 days. Eat as you see fit the day before the fast. But I somehow don't see gorging oneself to make the fast easier would be pleasing to God. I plan to just eat my normal meals.
If you want to use their method of logic and read more into this, I recommend interpreting this as a hint to place a fence around the 10th by starting the fast at least 1/2 hr early (which would mean fasting a small part of the 9th). Actually I place about an hour fence (or a minimum of 1/2 hr) before and after because this is an extremely important fast day. It is also a day to focus on our God and repair our relationship with Him. Think what you want this relationship to look like in the coming year; where do you want Him to help you improve? Read your Bible (let the Ruach lead you there) and for me I'll study as much as I can (that's how I best worship- you should worship as suits you best- music, contemplation, meditation, etc, as long as the focus is on HaShem).
I hope you have a good, meaningful Yom Kippur.
Dan
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Post by mystic on Sept 13, 2021 4:34:02 GMT -8
Thanks for all of the info and help with all of this Dan. I had gotten through the last 2 years fine on Yom Kippur with the fasting and observance aspects so should be easier or should I say more comfortable this year. Wish you same, Shalom.
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Post by mystic on Sept 15, 2021 12:22:19 GMT -8
Oh one last thing please, what about showering during Yom Kippur, is that only Rebbinical?
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