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Post by librarylarry on Oct 8, 2017 4:51:28 GMT -8
Shalom, The Hebrew Grammar of Wilhelm Gesenius has some interesting tables and charts... www.bible-researcher.com/alphabets.png Notice the column that reads "German with taggin (Modern)" I'm trying to go from memory but I had thought that Maimonides referred to the tagin as ornamental "daggers"...LOL On certain occasions, as many as seven "daggers" per Hebrew character could exist. |
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Post by rakovsky on Sept 16, 2019 14:08:24 GMT -8
There is a theory that ancient scripts developed from pictorial to alphabetical, with an intermediate stage of mixed pictures and letters.
As for Hebrew, scholars typically believe that it started out look a bit like Phoenician but then after the Assyrian conquest the Hebrews adopted what is called the modern Ashurite or "Assyrian" script, whereas orthodox Jews typically say that the Israelites always used Assyrian script.
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Post by rakovsky on Sept 16, 2019 16:42:58 GMT -8
Comparative ancient theologies and how YHWH points to Arm Behold Nail Behold
I started out trying to get to know God better so I thought about how ancient civilizations named and described God. Typically they had a common name for God, ie. in English- god or God, and then a proper name for their originating or highest deity, like Jehovah. And these names in turn have linguistic associations. I looked for these meanings in the cases of the Egyptian, Sumerian, Indus, IndoEuropean, Turkic and Chinese civilizations, and then looked for it in Hebrew.
For example, the common noun for God, god, or sky god in proto-IndoEuropean is Deywos, which comes from dyew, meaning sky or heaven. In Latin, this is Deus, and I suppose related to the word deity in English.
Dyeus Phater is their god of the daylight skies and his name literally means Sky Father or Shining Father. He shows up in Greek and Roman mythology as Zeus and Jupiter, and in Hinduism as Dyaus Pita.
Their myths also include a storm God that kills a multiheaded serpent, and according to one modern theory, their creation myth includes one brother sacrificing another brother to create the world, or one being sacrificing a giant, the primordial being, to make the world,
One weakness about the topic of Dyeus Phater is that although he was the chief deity, it isn't clear if he had predecessors. I read on one wikia page that he became the chief god after helping the gods overthrow the gagontes or giants. In Greek mythology, Zeus was born from parents. In this way, their concept of their chief God would differ from Judaism significantly in that in Judaism, God is not born from other gods.
Another challenge is that it isn't clear whether they had a concept of monotheism like Judaism did. Monotheism was held by some Greek and Hindu philosophers, but we don't directly have the Indo European religion laid out for study, so we have to guess at it, and it looks like we don't have enough information to show that monotheism was a clear universal primitive teaching among them. We could guess I think that since it could be found among Greeks and Hindus that some IndoEuropeans believed in monotheism too. Pythagoras was a famous Greek monotheist.
As for writing, we don't have the IndoEuropean pictograph system laid out either, if they even had one. So I think it would be hard to know what pictograph they used for God. My best guess would be that they used a solar pictograph for God because Dyeus could be related etymologically to brightness and sky. In Judaism, on the other hand, we do have Hebrew letters for God and for the Tetragrammaton.
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Post by alon on Sept 16, 2019 18:22:32 GMT -8
Comparative ancient theologies and how YHWH points to Arm Behold Nail BeholdI started out trying to get to know God better so I thought about how ancient civilizations named and described God. Typically they had a common name for God, ie. in English- god or God, and then a proper name for their originating or highest deity, like Jehovah. And these names in turn have linguistic associations. I looked for these meanings in the cases of the Egyptian, Sumerian, Indus, IndoEuropean, Turkic and Chinese civilizations, and then looked for it in Hebrew. For example, the common noun for God, god, or sky god in proto-IndoEuropean is Deywos, which comes from dyew, meaning sky or heaven. In Latin, this is Deus, and I suppose related to the word deity in English. Dyeus Phater is their god of the daylight skies and his name literally means Sky Father or Shining Father. He shows up in Greek and Roman mythology as Zeus and Jupiter, and in Hinduism as Dyaus Pita. Their myths also include a storm God that kills a multiheaded serpent, and according to one modern theory, their creation myth includes one brother sacrificing another brother to create the world, or one being sacrificing a giant, the primordial being, to make the world, One weakness about the topic of Dyeus Phater is that although he was the chief deity, it isn't clear if he had predecessors. I read on one wikia page that he became the chief god after helping the gods overthrow the gagontes or giants. In Greek mythology, Zeus was born from parents. In this way, their concept of their chief God would differ from Judaism significantly in that in Judaism, God is not born from other gods. Another challenge is that it isn't clear whether they had a concept of monotheism like Judaism did. Monotheism was held by some Greek and Hindu philosophers, but we don't directly have the Indo European religion laid out for study, so we have to guess at it, and it looks like we don't have enough information to show that monotheism was a clear universal primitive teaching among them. We could guess I think that since it could be found among Greeks and Hindus that some IndoEuropeans believed in monotheism too. Pythagoras was a famous Greek monotheist. As for writing, we don't have the IndoEuropean pictograph system laid out either, if they even had one. So I think it would be hard to know what pictograph they used for God. My best guess would be that they used a solar pictograph for God because Dyeus could be related etymologically to brightness and sky. In Judaism, on the other hand, we do have Hebrew letters for God and for the Tetragrammaton. It was common in most mythologies for gods to be born, live, and die just as men do. War in the heavens is also common, and most gods were eventually killed and supplanted by their children. Monotheism in mythology is, well, a myth. I forget the term, but some believed in one god who was above all other gods. There was a hierarchy, and it was maintained by exercising power. There was in Judaism, and still exists today the idea that God presides over a heavenly court of lesser gods. And they draw this inference from scriptures like: Psalm 82:1 (ESV) A Psalm of Asaph.
God has taken his place in the divine council;
in the midst of the gods he holds judgment:
Tehillim 82:1 Orthodox Jewish Bible (OJB) (Mizmor of Asaph.) Elohim standeth in the Adat El; He judgeth among the elohim [See Ps 82:6 and Yn 10:34].
אֱלֹהִים ʼĕlôhîym, el-o-heem'; plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative:—angels, × exceeding, God (gods) (-dess, -ly), × (very) great, judges, × mighty.
elohim can in fact be applied to anyone in authority; men, heavenly beings, gods, or God. So I do not interpret such usage as meaning God presides over other gods. You could say He is greater than other gods, but not that He takes council from them in a heavenly court. When God holds court over men or angels He does not take council, He judges. And if we do my favorite thing and read this in context, in the very next verse He reprimands them for judging falsely! Men, whether making their myths or interpreting scripture like to make their gods in their own image. Our God made us in His image, and we need to keep this in mind when we interpret scripture or when we investigate mythologies. Pythagoras was a philosopher and mathematician before anything else. His idea of one god was not the same as our belief in The One God. He in fact believed in other gods, such as the seven muses. He also believed in the immortality of the soul, but only through reincarnation. Yet he was a necromancer; which is unclear to me but I think he was trying to resurrect dead gods to learn the future. So he had his own brand of paganism. Archaeology proves that ancient Hebrew did in fact derive from a pictographic aleph beit (alphabet). The pictures carried meanings which were inferred in the words they made up. And they still carry those meanings today, though the aleph beit has changed in form many times. Hebrew characters went through several stages of development, which different scholars and/or schools parse out and divide differently. But they all start with Proto Canaanite pictographs used in antiquity. So let's look at אֱלֹ, a contraction of אֱלֹהִים " elohim"often used for God: אֱלֹ, aleph lamed, "El." Aleph was a pictograph of an ox head. The ox is strong, mighty. In an agrarian society when they plowed, the ox led the way. The last letter in the aleph beit is " tov," which pictographically looks like a cross on its side. It was a picture of an ancient plow. Even today, when I would plow with a tractor I would pick a mark on the far side of the field and work toward it. So when Yeshua said "I am the Aleph and the Tov" (Alpha and the Omega, but that loses a LOT in translation) He was saying "I am the mighty one towards the mark," the One who leads us to salvation. That is how a pictograph works. Lamed is a shepherds staff, or crook. It represents authority. But the shepherd exercises his authority for the good of his sheep. So אֱלֹ aleph lamed could pictographically mean "The Mighty One in Authority," or the "Strong One Protecting His Flock." All of those nuances of the ox and the shepherds staff are carried in this name of The Most High, " El." And He is the Mighty Authority who, through His aleph beit and the words those pictographs create leads us safely through to salvation. Hebrew is not just an ancient language, it is the first language. It is the language through which אֱלֹהִים spoke the world into existence. And it will be the last language, because it is God's language, the Aleph and the Tov. Interestingly, in this pictographic language we also see that, no surprise but our God and Creator knows how our minds work. The reason we dream in pictures and seldom if ever words is that is how our minds think. In pictures. Words create images in our minds. We don't really notice because we are so used to interpreting images with words. But when we sleep our minds revert, and every thing, every color, and every action in a dream can have meaning. Now some dreams are what could be called "housekeeping" dreams, which occur only once when our unconscious minds organize and even discards information. But it is not unusual for us to have recurring dreams which get more vivid when we are dealing with a particular problem. The inventor of the sewing machine made this incredibly intricate piece of equipment, but just couldn't figure out how to get it to work. But every night he dreamed of aboriginals thrusting spears at him; and the spears had holes in their heads. I doubt I need to finish the story. But our minds work pictographically, just like Elohim's aleph beit.
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Post by rakovsky on Sept 16, 2019 21:38:38 GMT -8
I forget the term, but some believed in one god who was above all other gods. There was a hierarchy, and it was maintained by exercising power. There was in Judaism, and still exists today the idea that God presides over a heavenly court of lesser gods. I think that you mean Henotheism. |
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Post by rakovsky on Sept 16, 2019 22:20:02 GMT -8
I think that there is truth to the pictographic idea of the development of the Hebrew language. It's only natural that at some early stage of the language and the writing at least some of the words were given associations with the particular letters' meanings that composed the words. Certainly with Aleph and other letters that have a single word meaning, this is clear. Someone could draw an aleph in Proto-Hebrew and point to the single letter and use it to mean an ox without writing the other letters making up the whole word for ox. They could also have some other words that combined letters' pictures to make the whole word in agreement with the pictographic theory that you are giving. This is how Chinese works. And in the study of ancient scripts, they did start pictographically. And you gave a good explanation of how it works.
Unfortunately, I think that the pictographic decipherment doesn't apply to Hebrew as a general rule for its words in general. There are plenty of words I found where the words' meanings don't match the combination of the meanings of the letters that make up those words. Think of a long Hebrew word with 8 letters. The more of those letters in the word, the harder it is to find a given meaning hidden in the words.
So with the Alpha and Tov, I can see the concept that Yeshua is mighty like an ox, being God, and leads the way all the way to the mark, the Tov. But I am not sure if He actually was thinking of the image of a mighty ox drawing a plough to a mark when he said this, because to me the pictoral meaning of letters in Hebrew is secondary. The image works, and Yeshua is from the beginning to the end and covers what is in between like the image says.
In the case of "Lamed", the letter's name in Hebrew etymologically is related to an ox-goad, rather than a shepherd's staff. As with an ox goad, the crook is at the bottom in PaleoHebrew letters. Literally, Lamad typically means to teach or learn, but it etymologically comes from goading as Strong's says:
Hosea 10:11 has "And Ephraim is as an heifer that is taught (מְלֻמָּדָה֙), and loveth to tread out the corn;"
The idea there about teaching a heifer could match goading it.
The noun for an ox goad is Malmud, and Lamad is related to it linguistically.
In looking for a sacred or Messianic pictographic meaning for EL or one involving nails like with the Waw in YHWH, I did find a verse in the TaNaKh in Ecclesiastes 12 in which the goad interacts with nails and this is interpreted as engraving or learning the Lord's words:
This is kind of interesting in that it lines up with the image of a shepherd and nails, which are part of Nazarene/Christian ideas of the Messiah. You can also see here how the goad (malmud) in this verse is related to learning and teaching (lamad).
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Post by alon on Sept 16, 2019 23:56:27 GMT -8
Easton’s Bible Dictionary
Goad [N] (Heb. malmad, only in Judges 3: : 31 ), an instrument used by ploughmen for guiding their oxen. Shamgar slew six hundred Philistines with an ox-goad. "The goad is a formidable weapon. It is sometimes ten feet long, and has a sharp point. We could now see that the feat of Shamgar was not so very wonderful as some have been accustomed to think."
In 1 Samuel 13:21 , a different Hebrew word is used, dorban , meaning something pointed.
דרבון dorbôwn, dor-bone'; (also dor-bawn'); of uncertain derivation; a goad:—goad.
In fact, the term דרבון dorbon is more often used for a goad. But the terms for a shepherd’s staff and a goad seem to be interchangeable:
Ecclesiastes 12:11 (YLT) Words of the wise [are] as goads, and as fences planted [by] the masters of collections, they have been given by one shepherd.
In this case, the דרבון dorbon is also a shepherd’s staff.
My guess is the goad and the shepherd’s staff were one and the same instrument. Shepherds in ancient Israel were not the lowly servants or children most Christians (and more than a few Messianics) think. Those sheep were the life and security and the wealth of a family. And that family extended to relatives, servants, and others who were dependent on those sheep for their livelihood. To be entrusted with a herd that needed constant watching- and sheep can get into more trouble on their own than you can imagine, then there were predators which ranged from wolves to lions to bears to men- and the shepherd had to manage and protect the entire herd from all of those and themselves. Being a shepherd was considered good training for kings! It is little wonder that the shepherd’s staff/ox goad was a symbol of authority.
Used gently it guided, instructed and taught. But it could be a formidable weapon, and my guess is that every child who might one day be entrusted with that flock was taught to fight with staff and spear in the form of a goad. Because that is what he’d have when attending to duties, which means that is what he’d defend the flock with whether from animals or thieves.
Incidentally, I’ve walked behind, ploughing with a 1 bottom plough from a century before when I was younger. I think Easton and Strong should try that before telling us a pointed staff over 10’ long was used to guide an ox pulling a large stick through the ground as a plough. I can not imagine that was any easier than what I did. You gently use reins while holding on to that plough for dear life, trying to keep it in the ground as it bucks and jerks unexpectedly, and not drifting off on its own as it seeks easier dirt (path of least resistance). I can’t think how you’d even carry that stick, and 10-12 ft would just reach the rump of that ox. I cannot for the life of me imagine any sane person poking that animal in the rump with a sharp stick while so employed!
Dan C
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Post by alon on Sept 17, 2019 0:19:56 GMT -8
It's unusual for a Hebrew word to have more than 6 letters unless it is a compound word- 2 or more words combined, in which case treat those as separate words. Also sometimes 2 or more letters will combine to give a meaning no one letter could do alone. Tell me what word you were having trouble with. I am no expert in Proto-Hebrew or any other Hebrew. However I can try to parse out the meanings.
Dan C
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Post by rakovsky on Sept 17, 2019 6:39:53 GMT -8
Sometimes I believe that the pictographic meaning works because ancient alphabets did begin as pictographic systems. The M in mountain could have been made because it looked like a mountain. An ancient Canaanite writing on a tablet could have created a word based on the drawing he created. But typically that was not the way the spelling worked. First you know how the word sounds, then you can spell it with letters. I did find at least one case in Jewish tradition where rabbis saw a deeper spiritual meaning in a word by combing the letters' meanings. It involved p and the mouth or pharaoh. It reminds me of gematria.
EL was a word I had trouble with pictograhically. I can see that the aleph is a bull's or ox head picture, and that they might use an ox or bull head to start God's name because
1. Bull sacrifice was common in that region and time. The Hebrews performed it and had calf idols. Bulls like the Apis bull were associated with the chief deity in such cultures like Egypt.
2. A is the first letter of the alphabet like God is first. The Bible starts with B, in Bereshit, in the Beginning. But what was before B and the beginning? A and God.
On the other hand, where in Hebrew does Aleph directly mean mighty? Sure, an ox is mighty, but there are many other mighty things, and this seems like an indirect hypothetical potential word association at best.
Further, as I mentioned, Lamed specifically seems to mean teach, etymologically derived from Malmud, go as, and depicted with a downward pointing goad in ancient Hebrew. In Hebrew the letters have names matching their pictures and the names' meanings.
Shepherd's staff in Hebrew uses a much different Hebrew word than Lamed and is not related etymologically, so it doesnt fit. Plus, the paleoletter Lamed pointed crook downward, whereas the shepherds staff crook points upward, so the Hebtew L is not pictorially a shepherd's staff.
So finding a hidden mystical meaning in EL is tough: bull and goad?
Cattle herd and teach or train?
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Post by alon on Sept 17, 2019 7:35:51 GMT -8
Sometimes I believe that the pictographic meaning works because ancient alphabets did begin as pictographic systems. The M in mountain could have been made because it looked like a mountain. An ancient Canaanite writing on a tablet could have created a word based on the drawing he created. Actually, the "m" (mem) in Hebrew pictographically has a twofold meaning. It can be waves cashing on a shoreline, or teeth. Both connote destruction. The Hebrews were not supposed to have those idols, so I don't think they had anything to do with the meaning. Same with Egyptian culture and religion. In the pictograph. Oxen are strong. And yes, there are many other mighty things, but for whatever reason they chose the ox. My guess is they were an agrarian society, and they would have seen the might of the ox at work, especially pulling a big stick through the ground to plow it. As to where it means mighty, that's in every word in which it is used. For times they ant to say "ah," but not mean mighty, there is another letter, "ayin." Or they can just use nothing at all because Hebrew doesn't use vowels like we do. And as I showed you it probably was the same instrument used for both. I believe you are a victim of too many pictures in church. A shepherds staff was not the small diameter stick with a curved crook on the end. As I said, it would have been a solid weapon, usually with at least one pointed end. And even if it did have a crook, think about how it was used. Sheep are much shorter than the average shepherd, so the crook would be down. But in the pictograph the hook is much smaller, almost like a capital J leaned sideways. Striking with that "crook" could do some damage! Or it could gently guide a wayward sheep. You are looking at the contemporary letter. In Paleo the pictograph very much resembles a shepherds staff. And who says the crook has to point up? Just because that is how most of the ignorant artists painted it doesn't make it so. And like I said, in use it definitely would have been angled down very much like the pictograph. Nor does the letter have to appear in the word for the picture it represents. Where is the lamed in דרבון dorbon? You are putting restrictions on usage that just aren't there in the Hebrew. חלון chalon is the Hebrew for "window." But the pictograph for a window is the letter "hey." Two things to note in that word חלון: there is no letter hey, and the "a" is sounded here but neither the letters aleph nor ayin are present. The "ch" in chalon is one sound, and one letter. And it is not as we'd sound a "ch," like in chew. It is more a guttural sound formed at the back of the throat, somewhere between a cough and a hiss. But we interpolate the sound as ch, and everyone says it like ch-ch-chalon. I know it gets confusing, but there is no "h" in the Hebrew word for window. Just a coughing sound. Just a note about biblical artists: all of them for the last 2000 yrs have been absolutely ignorant, ill informed, and not very bright. Take Michelangelo. His painting of the Last Supper got everything wrong! Everything! Yet they call him a genius. Go figure. But we believe what we see. That visual impression created by the artist is a powerful tool. Remember, our minds think in pictures, so we see shepherds staves with a curly hook and always pointing up, and we think that is what they look like and how they always are. And that's how we are brainwashed. |
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Post by rakovsky on Sept 17, 2019 9:01:13 GMT -8
In the pictograph. Oxen are strong. And yes, there are many other mighty things, but for whatever reason they chose the ox. My guess is they were an agrarian society, and they would have seen the might of the ox at work, especially pulling a big stick through the ground to plow it. As to where it means mighty, that's in every word in which it is used. For times they ant to say "ah," but not mean mighty, there is another letter, "ayin." Or they can just use nothing at all because Hebrew doesn't use vowels like we do. I don't want to belabor the point, but one of the places I got stuck on seeing a sacred pictorial meaning in EL is the inner meaning in the Aleph. The word Aleph literally means cattle or herd or maybe oxen in Hebrew as a collective plural iirc. The word Aleph does not literally mean strong. That is not one of the linguistic meanings or definitions or synonyms or I think metaphorical meanings of the word Aleph (cattle) in the Tanakh. Words can have more than one meaning, like a house can mean a place to live or even a church building, meaning "house of worship". But the adjective strong is not a definition of the noun aleph (cattle). So my question is what source or medieval rabbi or Bible verse states declares that the letter Aleph directly means strong, so that when we see an aleph we know that it can mean strong? Sure, cattle (aleph) are strong, but cattle are also lots of other things too. They are animals, they are horned, big, herbivorous, domesticated, hoofed, cud chewing, black and brown, ritually clean as food, used for farming, somewhat dangerous, food providing, etc. Why should we think of strong out of all those meanings? It looks like the answer is that someone in modern times who has the theory that Hebrew words are made of pictorial meanings hypothesized retroactively that the letter aleph specifically should be read as strong. But probably sometimes this works and sometimes this doesnt. If you look at all the Hebrew words that include aleph, some of them will include the meaning strong, but many others, maybe even most, will not. Adin means gentle or polite. I guess you could say that gentleness is spiritual mightiness, but it seems more like these are not especially synonymous. Agam means lake or pond, and a pond is not necessarily strong. Asher means "that", and is just a plain grammar word, not meaning strong. Sure you can find examples where a word with aleph could be associated with might, but it still leaves open the question of what or who exactly declares that the letter aleph means strong, since it doesn't always work. I got really into the pictographic system in Hebrew before and I think that in the case of YHWH the ancient writers saw the meaning of arm behold nail behold like in Psalm 22, Isaiah 52 to 53, Zech 11 to 13, and John 20. Discovering this was inspiring for me because I had been studying those Tanakh prophecies alot. But when it comes to EL I wasnt able to decipher such a pictographic meaning very well. Eccl. 12 that we discussed was one of the best, because of associations with the shepherd, studying the Word, and the nails. Eccl. 12 Seems maybe cryptic because why use the shepherd giving words like nails? It seems like the verse intends to have a deeper meaning alluding to the shepherd Messiah or Shepherd God as in Psalm 23 the Lord is my shepherd giving nails or words and teaching people like his flock. So then is God like a shepherd who goads or teaches (lamed) his herd (aleph)? God the Herd-Teacher? It seems arcane. |
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Post by alon on Sept 17, 2019 10:00:31 GMT -8
Where do you get it means cattle or herd? Aleph is the first letter in the Hebrew aleph beit and the number one. That is all it means by definition. However the letter does have metaphoric meanings and connotations. You are getting the two confused. You need to get that straightened in your mind. There is the definition, then there is the nuances, the connotations it carries. Like here:
You are confusing the definition with the metaphoric meaning. Being strong or mighty is just one of the qualities of an ox.
As I said, it is just one of the qualities.
shiv has to do with understanding, and is spelled שיב, shin yud bet; no aleph. Gentle is adin, spelled with an ayin, not an aleph.
agam- water is seen as powerful. In depth it has weight or pressure. In movement it has force. It has the power of life, especially in a desert land.
asher can mean which, that, or who. And the word itself does not have to mean strong. But an individual may be strong in many ways, as can a thing. You place far too many restrictions, vacilating between metaphor or qualities and definitions.
My primary source is Dr. Frank Seekins, recognized as a leading expert on ancient Hebrew.
I gave you my understanding of the name “El.” Past that I don’t know what to say.
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Post by rakovsky on Sept 17, 2019 10:14:32 GMT -8
Where do you get it means cattle or herd? Aleph is the first letter in the Hebrew aleph beit and the number one. That is all it means by definition. The discussions here are valuable because figuring out spiritual deeper meanings in Hebrew and the Bible is like puzzle solving. To answer your question, the names of letters in Hebrew are also real Hebrew words. For example, the Y in YHWH is called Yod, which is a real word meaning Arm or hand, and in Paleohebrew it was drawn like an arm. This was what made the pictographic meaning of YHWH persuasive for me. It works with Biblical passages about the divine Messiah. The Hebrew A is called Aleph, which is a real Hebrew word meaning cattle and it is used that way in Bible verses like in Proverbs and Isaiah, according to Briggs' Lexicon: Similar to how the letter Yod (arm) was drawn like an arm, the letter Aleph (cattle) was drawn with a horned bovine head. |
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Post by rakovsky on Sept 17, 2019 10:27:55 GMT -8
<<<Shiv means gentle or polite. I guess you could say that gentleness is spiritual mightiness, but it seems more like these are not especially synonymous. Agam means lake or pond, and a pond is not necessarily strong. Asher means "that", and is just a plain grammar word, not meaning strong.>>> ... ... shiv has to do with understanding, and is spelled שיב, shin yud bet; no aleph. Gentle is adin, spelled with an ayin, not an aleph. Correct. I looked up Hebrew names starting with A, and some of the results were associated with strength, but Adin didnt. But as you correctly noted, it is not spelled with Aleph. Also, my autocorrect switched it to shiv I think. |
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Post by rakovsky on Sept 17, 2019 10:33:09 GMT -8
In Paleo the pictograph very much resembles a shepherds staff. And who says the crook has to point up? Just because that is how most of the ignorant artists painted it doesn't make it so. The research materials say that in paleohebrew the crook is at the bottom:  The Hebrew4Christians website shows it that way too in its paleostage that it calls ktav ivrit. |
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