Christmas is a lie

[kepha]

Unveiling the Christmas Storyi
By Shannon Achey
The festival of Christmas was celebrated by pagan
sun worshipers long before Yeshua Messiah was ever born.
It was originally called Saturnalia, or Paganalia. A great
compromise started when the early Christians at Rome
sought for a way to convert more pagans into Christianity.
They knew that the pagans celebrated Saturnalia in late
December, so they set the birth date of Yeshua to fall at
that time. These pagans worshiped their sun god on
December 25, as they kept the festival of Saturnalia. So the
church at Rome set Yeshua’s birth date to be on December
25. They believed that this was a way to gain more converts
to Messiah. However, their intent was to increase the size of
the Roman church. This act allowed two major religions to
become united, and everyone was happy, except for YHWH!
This was one of many compromises done to keep peace
between the different religions.
"After the triumph of Constantine, the church at
Rome assigned December 25 as the date for the
celebration of the feast (Messiah’s birth), possibly
about 320 A. D. or 353 A. D. By the end of the fourth
century the whole Christian world was celebrating
Christmas on that day…. The choice of December 25
was probably influenced by the fact that on this day
the Romans celebrated the Mithraic feast of their sungod
(Mithras), and that SATURNALIA also came at this
time", from Collier's Encyclopedia.


Our Father says very clearly do not take a pagan feast and change it to worship Him.

And he did give us specific days that are Holy to Him
Liv23.

Jer 10:3 For the customs of the people are vanity. For one cuts a tree out of the forest with the axe, the work of the hands of the craftsman.
Jer 10:4 They adorn it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and hammers, so that it will not wobble.
Jer 10:5 They are upright as the palm tree, and they cannot speak; carrying they must be carried, because they cannot walk. Do not be afraid of them, for they cannot do evil, neither is it in them to do good†.

[mystic]

So would you guys all agree that to celebrate xmas is in deed a sin?

[kepha]

by doing xmas you are worshiping the one and Only Father in heaven through a pagan feast, with all the pagan symbols and on the pagans day of Worship. Yes it is sin. The xmas tree is a pagan symbol of their god of the male fertility so just guess what the nice xmas balls on the tree is for......

On that note, now this is some thing that I thought of one day seeing my family celebrating xmas. And was when I told them not to even mention or invite me to xmas again, even before I came to the truth, picture the xmas tree with all the "nice decorations" the balls the pagan man in his red suit and all the presents under tree. How lovely. Now you want to give some one their present, so what do you do. You bow down before the xmas tree to get the present.

Exo 20:5 you shall not bow to them, and you shall not serve them; for I am YHWH your Elohim, a jealous El, visiting the iniquity of fathers on sons, on the third and on the fourth generation, to those that hate Me;

The feast was also sexual feast with orgies going on even fathers with their daughters, sons with their mothers, brothers with their sisters and so on. It is really a sickening feast.
Also the word elves the little helpers of xmas father, translate in to chaos. Now our Elohim is not a Elohim of chaos.

[mystic]

Thanks but for most folks by celebrating xmas, it is only a festive time of the year not at all directly worshipping any sun god. As parents we do it especially for kids so I am not seeing any harm in it since there is no commandment forbidding it? Also because people especially do good things for others during that time of the year so how can it be bad?

[Elizabeth]

Mystic, I don't know how much you read in the Tanakh (Old Testament), but I think the more you read it the more you will realize how much G-d loathes His ways being mixed in with pagan ways. Christianity has messed a lot up. It is profaning Yeshua's name and identity at its core. Christmas is founded on lies and man's misguided understanding. G-d wants nothing to do with that. We are here to represent truth and righteousness. As such, it is just inherent to our beliefs that we do all we can to serve G-d the way He tells us to, and even secularly celebrating Christmas promotes the problem and deception. You will find that with G-d you really do have to choose. His way or man's way? It's hard. We all truly know, but keep searching and I think you will see we aren't as crazy as we may seem.  You will also find the more you stay within His way, the more you will be filled beyond what you could even know to ask for.

[kepha]

beliefs - oh is that how you spell it   sorry guys and ladies out of all 4 languages I know plus little very little hebrew, English is my worst 

[mystic]

I understand the concept of xmas day not being Jesus actual birthday, I have no denial on that part or the origination of xmas. What I am querying is why is it so bad or a sin when so much good comes out of it? Think for example of the many hungry and homeless people who get help during xmas time, not to mention the kids in the hospitals who gets presents to bring some sunshine into their lives?

[kepha]

Do you need a specific day to bring a smile on a child's face or to give food to the hungry? What about the rest of the 364 days?

We try to help our poor every month and every day, we give to our children happiness every day and don't try to buy it with presents on a pagan day.

As a parent would you not rather be sure your child's soul is safe with Yeshua, or would you rather deceive your child's soul with a pagan tradition turned around to worship Elohim that He instruct us not to do.

and if xmas is so wonderful as you say, why is it then that the most suicides occur on xmas day ? why is it that so many accidents happens in xmas season because of drunk drivers? We here in South Africa call it silly season.

[mystic]

Can't argue with those points.

[Elizabeth]

Jul 20, 2016 4:58:12 GMT -8 kepha said:

beliefs - oh is that how you spell it   sorry guys and ladies out of all 4 languages I know plus little very little hebrew, English is my worst 

Then you are doing really good in languages because your English is great! I am a terrible speller, and I was raised in a part of the US where poor grammar was the norm. Honestly, I still sometimes feel like good grammar just don't get it.

Anyway, no apologies and no worries about grammar and spelling. I hope that never prevents any of our international brothers and sisters from participating on here.

[alon]

The thing is, the pagan holiday and the pagan practices honor the wrong son- the son of Ishtar who was said to have been born at the winter solstice. Pagans know this, and they ridicule Christains for their practices. But Christians have been blinded by the teachings of a pagan church. They don't even know that THEY are pagans! Biblically there are only two kinds of people: Jews and goyim- of the nations, pagans. Meshiachim are adopted into the Jewish nation (Rom 11). Christians say they are adopted, but they say this means that a Jew has to be grafted onto their tree! He must cease being a Jew and become a New Testament Christian; eschewing . We say it is the other way around. If we are to be grafted into the Jewish family tree, we in essence (and most say in fact) become Jews. We keep the Feasts of the Lord, as commanded; not pagan holidays.

Most Christians give the argument that since their intent is to worship God it is a Christian holiday. So then, if your intent was to have fun and you drove on the sidewalk, then hit someone with your car, does that mean they are not hurt? God's name and His reputation are harmed when we replace what He said with what some pagan Pope said to do. The Christian Church from its inception replaced everything "Jewish" and therefore everything God said to do with pagan practices. And Christmas is high on the list of those practices.

The church has also spread the lie that the Jews have no holidays; that the church gives charity but the Jews are greedy. Jews give more than anyone I know of. My wife's family is Jewish, and they ae some of the most generous people I know. In fact, tzedikah (charity) is one of the foundations of Jewish faith and life. And as for holidays, the Jews have far more than Christians. Even Shabbath is considered a holiday, and is looked forward to all week by Jews. And every 30 days we are supposed to celebrate the New Moon as it marks the head of the month. And no, we do not worship or pray to the moon- it is just when the month begins as Judaism is on a lunar calendar, as commanded. Then there are the feasts themselves- six major Feasts, as opposed to two for Christians (three if you count Halloween). I always looked at Sunday like an onerous obligation growing up. Even as an adult, I had no problems doing what most Christians do and head for the hills when the weather was good or hunting season was on somewhere; or if I wanted to go skiing or winter camping; or if I just didn't feel like going. And the Christmas program was just an excuse to get Charlotte P in the back and kiss her (so there are some good things in church ... ).

To be fair, I enjoy many or the sermons at the AoG church where my wife goes. I told the pastor there a few times if he wasn't careful I would have to start calling him Rabbi. He is one of the few pastors who does his research, and often comes to conclusions very similar to mine. But I have a problem when they put up the trees on Christmas. I don't go then, nor do I attend any of the Christmas events they have.

Now I too look forward to Shabbat. If I miss synagogue for some reason I feel cheated until next week when I make sure I can go. My wife won't go with me, so I don't get to kiss anyone. But it is still fun, uplifting and edifying.

Dan C

[jimmie]

Didn't Aaron allow the people to have a festive time with agree calf and call it a feast unto theirs?
Eli allowed his sons to have a festive time in the Lord's house laying with the women?
Neither turned out very well.

[mystic]

Here's what I used to think, no one knows the birth date of Jesus so we all should celebrate the life of Jesus every single day of our lives but is it a sin to put up a xmas tree for the kids, give them presents, sing xmas carols in remembrance of Jesus so celebrate the entire xmas season with all the good it brings if YOUR purpose is to simply celebrate the life of Jesus? I never knew about xmas and worshipping sun gods e.t.c, I only knew it as a time to celebrate Jesus so I wondering if God will drop the hammer on anyone only for celebrating the life of Jesus?

[kepha]

is it a sin to put up a xmas tree.....Will you put a statue of Baal or alah in your house?

[kepha]

If your purpose is to celebrate Yeshua's life then follow the days of liv23. Yeshua is the Head the Master of shabbats. teach you children rather the holy Shabbats then a pagan tradition.
Also remember that what is very important to celebrate is the fact that He stood up from the grave, by doing so He overcame the second death so that we can have eternal life.