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Post by johnd on Mar 8, 2015 20:21:01 GMT -8
It took 430 years for YHVH to deliver the children of Israel from Egyptian bondage.
Point being there is a bigger picture to all things we must consider. The late Dr. Walter Martin asked an unnamed rabbi friend why was it when he prayed for people sometimes they get well sometimes they get sicker... one almost avoids the attempt especially in public for fear it will come across as unanswered prayer or fodder for scoffing. The good rabbi said "It's God's kingdom. He should worry."
In other words, don't you dare be embarrassed for God (not that anyone here is, I am just quoting Martin). You just keep praying as he said. And it's up to him who he heals and who he does not.
God also knows what the consequences are if he heals us, makes us wealthy, reckless, independent. Oh I'll never be that way... we tell ourselves... if only God were as convinced.
And this world is NOT the end but the means toward the end.
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Post by alon on Mar 9, 2015 19:54:43 GMT -8
john, as one who has serious disabilities, I rest on the truth of what you have just said.
When I pray, especially when I pray the Amidah (or my shortened version), I pray for healing not just for me but for others of His people who I know are suffering. I also acknowledge His will, and I pray for any relief and for strengthening us to deal with whatever He allows us to go through. I've seen relief and I've seen strengthening, and I've experienced both personally. Can't say I've witnessed miraculous healing, though I may have and not known of it. But always I pray, and leave it to God's will and His perfect timing. And yes, when I pray in public I leave others perception of the results to God and them.
1 Corinthians 12:4-11 (ESV) Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord; and there are varieties of activities, but it is the same God who empowers them all in everyone. To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. For to one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills.
It is important to remember too that not everyone is given the gift of healing. I've never met anyone who has truly had this gift, though being with the AoG I've heard of several. Most I disbelieve, some maybe. We serve an Elohim who answers prayer, however we need to be cognizant of both His sovereign will and the fact that few people have the gift of healing (at least in my experience).
Dan C
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Post by azaliah on Oct 2, 2015 21:02:17 GMT -8
Shalom, You know, I think hyphenating G-d is kinda strange, but I do it out of respect of other Messianic Jews. Who when they right text they often hyphenate the name, it feels like it saying Xmas, it steals from the power of what you are saying, more importantly it's and English word a goy word probably Old Germanic or Dutch. I don't mean to besmirch the sacred practices of other Messianics, I respect their beliefs, but I also don't understand why the Orthodox do this as well, seeing as again, it's goy-speak. However, I imagine a big part of Messianic Judaism is the witness to the Orthodox and Reformed Jews so I suppose who cannot expect the Yehudim to listen to your words if you disrespect their traditions, thats just a guess mind you, I am the least Messianic here, I am a Jew, that is  observant, but not because I had any Messianic training, this is still pretty new to me. However, I remember my first Pesach, David and Karen Stern their grandfather had invited us over to share in a Messianic Pesach ceremony, (this was before I even knew about my Jewish origins, I did not discover that until 24ish when I was trying to look up my birth mother). This is when I first learned the word E____, I remember the grandfather telling us this story about Egypt, and then telling showing us this bone of a lamb? Some kind of bone, that was used to represent the sacrifice I think, all the lights were dim, and he had some kinda hood thing on his head (which incidentally I remember as grey, not white and mono color, but I was a small child so I might have got some things mixed up). I became very close with that family, much more closer with David's computer, but yea the Stern's were great too, that and the really funny pancakes which I thought was the best food in the world, one thing I remember them telling me, was the sacredness of the tetragrammaton that four letter consonantal (I made that word up I think) word you were tossing about there, and that I should never try to say it, never write it, and though E____ was a sacred name, this word was one you don't play with. Just being real with you, I don't really know if Hashem cares if we use that word, and I think He would approve of you using it, after all you are a Priest under the order of Melchizedek, able to go in to the Holy of Holies, so why not? No judgements here from me, not at all, but I was given this fear of a young age of that word, and it has stayed with me as an adult, I will not ever write it, and it is forbidden to be written in my house, the truth is, maybe I am just being superstitious I don't know lol. Right back to topic, so, I share in PTSD from my time in the Marine Corps, but I don't know if it effects me as it effects others. I can tell you it has got people to call the cops on me before, got me in to fights, and lost me a job or two, but I don't wake up screaming. Quite the opposite, I wake up quietly, scared out of my mind some imaginary enemy is coming to kill me, then I go grab my rifle and have to patrol my "duty area" until I calm down. Wanna know whats even worse? I think I have heard imaginary guns shots before while I was awake, that sent me in to commando mode, romping through the bushes with my NVG's. What calmed me down and stopped all my psychoness was the understanding of what was causing it.....guilt. You see, deep in my heart I knew I had done some very bad things to people. Sure, it was in the line of duty, sure it was under orders, but I still sinned against man. Brother, I had blood on my hands, may not have been innocent blood, but it was blood that belonged to Hashem. Their life was not mine to destroy, yet I destroyed it. Though I was saved, and not afraid for my soul, every night I heard the hell hounds calling, chanting to me (metaphorically now....lol) "Guilty Guilty", every night I thought about the men whos families I took them from, the innocent children who lost a dad, coming for vengeance on me, for the destruction I caused on their life. Let's crack the Brit'Chadashah a bit here.... Matthew 26:52 "....Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword" See I spent a lot of time, explaining to myself over and over again, how it wasn't my fault, and how it was just my job....then one day, I realized, no I accepted, I did an evil thing to another person(s). I am not blameless. When I came to grips with that, I realized ok, yea... probably will never happen but some day some one related to the people I hurt, may come and try and kill me, and maybe they have a good reason, maybe I deserve it, but that does not mean I cannot serve Hashem, and perhaps Hashem will be merciful to my family, but I no longer wait for that day. So I suppose I still have a little PTSD today, but it's not related to life or death, I have a fear of becoming a stumbling block to my wife and children. I have a fear that if I disobey Hashem, that others will see me and they will suffer a fate worse than death, eternal separation from Hashem. I have a fear, that I will disappoint God. I think this bit of PTSD is healthy maybe? I don't know if this has anything to do with what you are saying or what you went through, but if it can be any comfort to you I remember this verse, 1 Peter 1:7 "That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:" Catholics make a big hoo doo out of Stigmata, I have always felt true stigmata is the daily suffering of those who have given it all for Christ, whom Hashem has counted worthy enough to bear a burden for them, and in so doing, though 2000 years separate them, they can with love and sacrifice also bear there cross with Hashem, walking as he walked, suffering in a small way as he suffered the glorify Hashem by their suffering that is a sacrifice of sweet savor to the A____. Yeshua's suffering was him saying, "I love you" When you suffer in Yeshua, you have been given the honor of saying, "I love you too". |
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Post by Questor on Oct 2, 2015 23:02:59 GMT -8
Shalom, You know, I think hyphenating G-d is kinda strange, but I do it out of respect of other Messianic Jews. Who when they right text they often hyphenate the name, it feels like it saying Xmas, it steals from the power of what you are saying, more importantly it's and English word a goy word probably Old Germanic or Dutch. I don't mean to besmirch the sacred practices of other Messianics, I respect their beliefs, but I also don't understand why the Orthodox do this as well, seeing as again, it's goy-speak. However, I imagine a big part of Messianic Judaism is the witness to the Orthodox and Reformed Jews so I suppose who cannot expect the Yehudim to listen to your words if you disrespect their traditions, thats just a guess mind you, I am the least Messianic here, I am a Jew, that is observant, but not because I had any Messianic training, this is still pretty new to me. Azaliah, those of us that use a dash for an 'o' in G-d are merely trying to habitually not offend non-Messianic Jews who may actually come here, and seek truth.
However, I remember my first Pesach, David and Karen Stern their grandfather had invited us over to share in a Messianic Pesach ceremony, (this was before I even knew about my Jewish origins, I did not discover that until 24ish when I was trying to look up my birth mother). This is when I first learned the word E____, I remember the grandfather telling us this story about Egypt, and then telling showing us this bone of a lamb? Some kind of bone, that was used to represent the sacrifice I think, all the lights were dim, and he had some kinda hood thing on his head (which incidentally I remember as grey, not white and mono color, but I was a small child so I might have got some things mixed up). I became very close with that family, much more closer with David's computer, but yea the Stern's were great too, that and the really funny pancakes which I thought was the best food in the world, one thing I remember them telling me, was the sacredness of the tetragrammaton that four letter consonantal (I made that word up I think) word you were tossing about there, and that I should never try to say it, never write it, and though E____ was a sacred name, this word was one you don't play with. Just being real with you, I don't really know if Hashem cares if we use that word, and I think He would approve of you using it, after all you are a Priest under the order of Melchizedek, able to go in to the Holy of Holies, so why not? No judgements here from me, not at all, but I was given this fear of a young age of that word, and it has stayed with me as an adult, I will not ever write it, and it is forbidden to be written in my house, the truth is, maybe I am just being superstitious I don't know lol. It is very difficult to eradicate a fear of doing wrong, even if that Rabbinical decree was meant to keep Jews in early centuries of the Catholic Church from being killed for using it by the Romans. In reality, G-d requires us to use the Tetragrammaton...one just needs to do so in reverent awe. For me, it certainly makes my saying of the Shema intensely personal and G-d connective when I say it. But I am a Gentile, and not bound by the Talmud as others believe they must be, even though I study it. Where I find the Talmud in contradiction to the actual text of the Scripture, I go with the Scripture.Exodus 3:13-15 (CJB)
13 Moshe said to God, “Look, when I appear before the people of Isra’el and say to them, ‘The God of your ancestors has sent me to you’; and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ what am I to tell them?”
14 God said to Moshe, “Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh ,” and added, “Here is what to say to the people of Isra’el: ‘Ehyeh has sent me to you.’”
15 God said further to Moshe, “Say this to the people of Isra’el: ‘Yud-Heh-Vav-Heh [Adonai], the God of your fathers, the God of Avraham, the God of Yitz’chak and the God of Ya‘akov, has sent me to you.’ This is my name forever; this is how I am to be remembered generation after generation.
Exodus 9:16 (CJB)
16 But it is for this very reason that I have kept you alive — to show you my power, and so that my name may resound throughout the whole earth.
Leviticus 19:12 (CJB)
12 Do not swear by my name falsely, which would be profaning the name of your God; I am Adonai.
Right back to topic, so, I share in PTSD from my time in the Marine Corps, but I don't know if it effects me as it effects others. I can tell you it has got people to call the cops on me before, got me in to fights, and lost me a job or two, but I don't wake up screaming. Quite the opposite, I wake up quietly, scared out of my mind some imaginary enemy is coming to kill me, then I go grab my rifle and have to patrol my "duty area" until I calm down. Wanna know whats even worse? I think I have heard imaginary guns shots before while I was awake, that sent me in to commando mode, romping through the bushes with my NVG's. What calmed me down and stopped all my psychoness was the understanding of what was causing it.....guilt. You see, deep in my heart I knew I had done some very bad things to people. Sure, it was in the line of duty, sure it was under orders, but I still sinned against man. Brother, I had blood on my hands, may not have been innocent blood, but it was blood that belonged to Hashem. Their life was not mine to destroy, yet I destroyed it. Though I was saved, and not afraid for my soul, every night I heard the hell hounds calling, chanting to me (metaphorically now....lol) "Guilty Guilty", every night I thought about the men whos families I took them from, the innocent children who lost a dad, coming for vengeance on me, for the destruction I caused on their life. Let's crack the Brit'Chadashah a bit here.... Matthew 26:52 "....Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword" See I spent a lot of time, explaining to myself over and over again, how it wasn't my fault, and how it was just my job....then one day, I realized, no I accepted, I did an evil thing to another person(s). I am not blameless. When I came to grips with that, I realized ok, yea... probably will never happen but some day some one related to the people I hurt, may come and try and kill me, and maybe they have a good reason, maybe I deserve it, but that does not mean I cannot serve Hashem, and perhaps Hashem will be merciful to my family, but I no longer wait for that day. So I suppose I still have a little PTSD today, but it's not related to life or death, I have a fear of becoming a stumbling block to my wife and children. I have a fear that if I disobey Hashem, that others will see me and they will suffer a fate worse than death, eternal separation from Hashem. I have a fear, that I will disappoint God. I think this bit of PTSD is healthy maybe? I don't know if this has anything to do with what you are saying or what you went through, but if it can be any comfort to you I remember this verse, 1 Peter 1:7 "That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:" Catholics make a big hoo doo out of Stigmata, I have always felt true stigmata is the daily suffering of those who have given it all for Christ, whom Hashem has counted worthy enough to bear a burden for them, and in so doing, though 2000 years separate them, they can with love and sacrifice also bear there cross with Hashem, walking as he walked, suffering in a small way as he suffered the glorify Hashem by their suffering that is a sacrifice of sweet savor to the A____. Yeshua's suffering was him saying, "I love you" When you suffer in Yeshua, you have been given the honor of saying, "I love you too".
Living by the sword is about using deadly force to get your personal desires.
In Gethsemane, Yeshua said that if he wanted to fight against those who were arresting him, he had legions of angels to fight for him. Yeshua did not authorize Peter to attack others on his behalf as he wanted to do the will of the father, but Peter was acting on his own desire to keep Yeshua from being arrested.
Even had Peter managed to kill someone, there were plenty of trained guards there that night that would indeed have killed him in return.
G-d has authorized many wars, and many famous men have used the sword in plenty, King David for one, and King Soloman for another, and yet both died in bed. And Yeshua had actually authorized the Disciples to get swords, and the whole two swords that they had were deemed as plenty by him, and evidently were, for keeping the Disciples from being arrested as well as himself.
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Post by azaliah on Oct 2, 2015 23:37:39 GMT -8
Thank you for responding, and for clarifying a few things.
I have guilt remaining for what I did. Or I did once, now I know it is forgiven. You state that it was never a sin, and in general with other people I would never say fighting for ones nation is a sin. I would not call out to someone who did fight for another nation a sin. Yet I abhor violence, and I often ask myself was this war on Arabs a just war? Or was I a pawn? If I was a pawn, am I so different from the Arab?
I can tell you this, though it troubles me no longer at times when I used to look back and think about the people I hurt, it was like looking in a mirror!
Fascinating, I will research that! I did not know this, thank you for sharing that.
3/8 Marines, 2nd Marine Division OIF 1 2 and 3.
HaCow! (little joke there I doubt anyone will get)
"Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." It's like a direct Mitzvah supporting the 2nd Amendment! That is so cool, I cannot believe I have never noticed that.
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Post by alon on Oct 3, 2015 0:51:59 GMT -8
You two are giving me eyestrain trying to keep up ... not to mention brain strain!
This guy is Hebrew Roots, but he nails an important concept which may help you. You'll probably have to cut and paste the address to get it, but here it is:royblizzard.hubpages.com/hub/A-Short-Commentary-on-Matthew-643Let's look at your scripture in context and with the foregoing in mind:Matthew 26:51-53 (ESV) And behold, one of those who were with Jesus stretched out his hand and drew his sword and struck the servant of the high priest and cut off his ear. Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword. Do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father, and he will at once send me more than twelve legions of angels? This was a very mild rebuke, as rebukes go, which showed more concern for the safety of His disciple than accusation of wrong. And as Questor points out, not everyone who lived by their sword died in battle; Melech Dovid being a great example. He did commit murder to cover up adultery, yet he died abed.
PTSD is tough, and no amount of explanation can really help overcome the horrors of war. Only trust in Yeshua and truly understanding His Word, as opposed to the lies we were fed in church which only add to our guilt. Hang in there, and hang with us here, and I pray it all works out for you.
Dan C
By the way, Siemper-Fi, Jarhead! 1st Mar Div, 3rd Mar Div, 1st Marine Bde, 1st MAW, Marine Expeditionary Group Nam Phong, Thailand. Now 1st Civ Div 
Edit: the disciple who attacked the servant of the Cohen Hagadol was an expert swordsman (probably a Marine  ), as this was a difficult stroke to make without further injuring the man. His goal was not to kill or injure, but to make the man unfit for Temple service, as one who was deformed was not even allowed in.
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Post by azaliah on Oct 6, 2015 9:59:21 GMT -8
OOH RAH Tuefel Heunden!!! (not really sure if the other word we use is appropriate here) Outstanding! Another United States Marine! I graduated from MCRD San Diego, (the real depot, you know the one with mountains). You have been around a bit, I will be you probably outrank me, I got out as a Lance Commandant(LCpl  ). That makes me feel better being here, I can tell you one thing I have always felt like Hashem likes the Marine Corps, I used to think while my mind wondered while I was at PT at 0430 in the Morning, what if I passed Yeshua, Green on Green with reflector belt out on PT road, what he would say to me. "Oh....Good Lance Corporal....go ahead and not sound off too, I died for you on the cross just so you could lolygag during my Sgt's motivated PT, thats unsatisfactory Marine" One night, actually I had Drill Instructor Sgt Viscaino come to me, when I was on "firewatch", and I was sprinting back to the little podium thing there spouting off the mantra, "Attention on deck...good evening sir..the count on deck is...blah blah blah" And he is almost whispering (whispering for him at least) asking me why I was not at my post, I told him I had to check on a sick recruit. Anyway, he starts on me an argument I have never heard and it was the most memorable rear-chewing I have had in my life, he says and I quote, "How can you say you care about these recruits souls, when you don't even care about these recruits lives. You think you will make it as a Marine? Just what exactly would Jesus say, if he saw you abandon your post just now recruit? You don't care about anyone but yourself, portholes" I never forgot it, my entire life. I will never abandon my post. But thats waaaay off topic sorry... Interesting, do I detect you are mildly critical of the Hebrew roots movement? I don't know a lot about it, but the party line is nice. More than likely, and if Peter had drawn his M16A2 service rifle, Jesus would have probably told him to go ahead and send rounds down range, Yeshua wasn't critizing his motivation, just the improper use of his weapon.  |
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Post by alon on Oct 6, 2015 15:13:05 GMT -8
... (the real depot, you know the one with mountains). 
I hope He does, as all our servicemen are being put in some bad situations now where support is tenuous at best. We should keep them in our prayers. I made Sgt., then L/Cpl again, then got out a Cpl. It was an eventful 2 tours. A person can learn a lot about life in boot camp. Too many times in our walk we also "abandon our post", so to speak. And the consequences are too often eternal. Interesting, do I detect you are mildly critical of the Hebrew roots movement? I don't know a lot about it, but the party line is nice.[/quote] Hebrew Roots is sort of a catch-all category for those who want to know "the truth" but do not want to become Observant. Of course, it is such a broad category this "definition" is merely adequate, not all encompassing. Since their "truth" is not always rooted in there is a LOT of really bad information and worse doctrine in HR. It is where many of us start, myself included, since it is the most prevalent source when searching books or the internet. That is why I say use caution and discernment when researching. There is also a lot of good information in HR. But honestly, a good source for Meshiachim is far better; especially one which will stand up and correct each other when we are wrong or make mistakes. Like here. This way we avoid spreading falsehoods. We also are a Observant community, where most are moving towards full observance (those who are not cannot teach against One Law/ Observance, as this is a TO forum). So I am a bit critical, yes. But remember, there are so many shades of HR, from full blown cults to Ebionites to those wanting to spice up their Christianity to you name it! So each HR source should be judged on its own merits. The same holds true though of each Messianic source. We are a renewed movement, and there are many different schools flying Messianic colors. Discernment is the word.Actually, that's the point he used it precisely as he intended, and Yeshua was criticizing his motivation and not its use. He was motivated by revenge, maiming a person so he wouldn't be fit for Temple service. It was also thoughtless, as he could have gotten himself and possibly all the disciples killed right there, thus derailing God's eternal plan. As it was, Yeshua restored the ear to its place and the disciples, who all deserted their posts, learned some valuable lessons in the service of Hashem. Compare their actions both before and after the arrest of Yeshua to their actions after He reorganized them. Boot camp was about over, and they were soon to be sent to the FMF (Fleet Marine Force) for front line service.
Dan C
Ya'll forgive the analogy. Once a Marine always ... really hard for others to understand. But I think we got it out of our system, and we'll behave now. However one last analogy: I think this should be exactly the type of "Esprit de Corps" we as Meshiachim should have with each other. We are truly few, but with the might of heaven behind us! I am in this primarily for the truth, God's truth, and as long as I uphold that I am OK. "The few, the proud, the Meshiachim!" (I couldn't resist ... )
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Post by azaliah on Oct 6, 2015 20:54:13 GMT -8
Is your last name Daly? I'll bet no one but a Marine would get that joke.
There is some deep truth in your words, for there is coming a day when the time for sleeping will be at an end. When the mobilization will begin amongst Hashems people. When the line in the sand will be drawn between those who are warriors willing not only to die, but to survive for Yeshua. There is coming a day, when the Meshiachim will be the enemies of the world. There is coming a day when to serve Hashem will be a choice that may cost your life. There is a little bit of that today, but one day that Shofur will sound on the mountain and the prophesy of the true Yehudim will be fulfilled.
There are 14 Million Jews in the world (around about) some have estimated, 1% of those are Messianic or Christian.
This math may mean nothing....or everything.
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Post by alfredpersson on Nov 18, 2023 0:34:03 GMT -8
Good question, and I don't have an answer. Only a thought:
7 And lest I should be exalted above measure by the abundance of the revelations, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I be exalted above measure.
8 Concerning this thing I pleaded with the Lord three times that it might depart from me.
9 And He said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness." (2 Cor. 12:7-9 NKJ)
From my limited human perspective, many who claim to have been healed seem further removed from obedience to Scripture, choosing to determine truth via experiences.
Whereas, those physically weak seem more dependent on the truth they see in scripture.
But this is only a thought. Perhaps God is choosing the better path for us, one of obedience to scripture rather than going down the rabbit hole of contradictory and confusing experience "gut feelings".
It would appear God is stronger in us when we are weak (My strength is made perfect in weakness"), the reverse is then true "strength makes imperfect" God's manifestation in us.
I am relatively healthy (but we all are dying of something), and drove cab for many years. One Christian lady in particular comes to mind, she was so arthritic she couldn't move without pain. We carried her literally (she only weighed 100 lbs, maybe less) to the car. But the grace she showed, her joy at being alive...blew me away. I couldn't fathom the joy she experienced in God, even though her body was wracked in pain.
In Christ's Sermon on the Mount there is a "principle of reversal" I think relevent here:
3 "Blessed are the poor in spirit, For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 Blessed are those who mourn, For they shall be comforted.
5 Blessed are the meek, For they shall inherit the earth.
6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, For they shall be filled. (Matt. 5:3-6 NKJ)
If we apply it to a sickness that doesn't get healed in this life, it requires in the next God reverses the situation 180 degrees.
If having cancer were like losing $1000, then in the Kingdom of God one would be given $1000 to spend, and likely more. So God will "compensate" for permitting a person suffer in this life. Reverse it completely.
Someone not healed in this life might rejoice because His treasure in heaven has now increased exponentially:
19 "Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal;
20 "but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal.
21 "For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
(Matt. 6:19-21 NKJ)
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Post by alon on Nov 18, 2023 17:04:12 GMT -8
Good question, and I don't have an answer. Only a thought: ... From my limited human perspective, many who claim to have been healed seem further removed from obedience to Scripture, choosing to determine truth via experiences. Whereas, those physically weak seem more dependent on the truth they see in scripture. But this is only a thought. Perhaps God is choosing the better path for us, one of obedience to scripture rather than going down the rabbit hole of contradictory and confusing experience "gut feelings". It would appear God is stronger in us when we are weak (My strength is made perfect in weakness"), the reverse is then true "strength makes imperfect" God's manifestation in us. I am relatively healthy (but we all are dying of something), and drove cab for many years. One Christian lady in particular comes to mind, she was so arthritic she couldn't move without pain. We carried her literally (she only weighed 100 lbs, maybe less) to the car. But the grace she showed, her joy at being alive...blew me away. I couldn't fathom the joy she experienced in God, even though her body was wracked in pain. In Christ's Sermon on the Mount there is a "principle of reversal" I think relevent here: ... If we apply it to a sickness that doesn't get healed in this life, it requires in the next God reverses the situation 180 degrees. If having cancer were like losing $1000, then in the Kingdom of God one would be given $1000 to spend, and likely more. So God will "compensate" for permitting a person suffer in this life. Reverse it completely. Someone not healed in this life might rejoice because His treasure in heaven has now increased exponentially: ... |
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Post by Questor on Feb 7, 2024 14:10:27 GMT -8
It's been nearly 10 years since I began this thread. I am not sure of my motivation at the time. Did I want encouragement? Did I want to brag on Abba arranging so much healing at the time I first wrote, and the further healing I expected?
In re-reading the posts I note my continued tendency to arrogance, being so darned sure I was right, but I received a good deal of healing before being gobsmacked by an aging body! I received the healing I saw being given me, however, before age began to add to the problems, but it was not the kind of healing one expects as miraculous. Certainly no longer giving poisons to my body made way for a long term rebuilding of it from a lifelong disease, but the disease is with me still.
The PTSD and damage from the car accident remind me daily that I needed that crash to turn my eyes to G-d. Yet much emotional damage has been wiped away from me, and some of its effects have disappeared as well.
And the debilitation that attacks as one ages is not healable in this age . . . we need a Millenial Kingdom to get a new body, just as we need it for the permanent salvation we strive daily to hold onto.
But illness and pain, I have found, are teaching tools of the Most High, as is change, and hidden knowledge being revealed just enough to persuade one to double down on the path of T-rah.
Abba gives us what we need, even when we rely on his promises to ask for what we want. I find these days that I am led from problem to solution, and then to new problems, and the awareness they bring.
How can I expect healing when others suffer so much more than I? Am I even right to ask for it? These days, I tend to pray for others first, and then tack myself on as an afterthought.
It's not that my illness or pain or slowly failing body is not deserving of healing, only that the healing will come when G-d determines it is a good time for the person that I am becoming.
Still, I have seen miracles happen to another, where the doctors have been forced to admit that only a miracle describes what has happened. Yet the battle that was fought, and to a great degree won was only when G-d so chose. It was a very long battle, and beyond any comparable suffering I have undergone, and leaves behind it not a newly freshened body but only one that will limp along for a time. The battle will begin again for the person involved is dangerous to the Adversary, and will not be left alone by the evil one.
Still, I pray for my own healing, knowing that G-d works in unexpected ways, and at surprising times. And I still expect healing, because of the promises given. I merely make sure to remind the Most High that I am not asking in my righteousness, since I have none, but in Yeshua's righteousness.
G-d knows just how much I need to be taught, and he knows my limitations, and he uses pain and suffering as tools and chastisement, to school me, and lead me. And it matters not how T-rah observant I am, though I strive to do better, for that is merely a case of doing a little better than before. In the end, personal healing is a matter of mercy, and not of obedience, just like our salvation is.
Isaiah 53:5 (CJB)
5 But he was wounded because of our crimes, crushed because of our sins; the disciplining that makes us whole fell on him, and by his bruises we are healed.
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Post by alon on Feb 8, 2024 8:21:17 GMT -8
It's been nearly 10 years since I began this thread. I am not sure of my motivation at the time. Did I want encouragement? Did I want to brag on Abba arranging so much healing at the time I first wrote, and the further healing I expected?
Well, that one He teaches us all, if we're lucky.
How can I expect healing when others suffer so much more than I? Am I even right to ask for it? These days, I tend to pray for others first, and then tack myself on as an afterthought. It's not that my illness or pain or slowly failing body is not deserving of healing, only that the healing will come when G-d determines it is a good time for the person that I am becoming.
There is that tendency; I do it as well. I think we think it makes us more spiritual. But honestly, your (our) healing is as important as any other persons. What we need to understand is God heals who He will in His time and for His purposes. Yes, it is for our benefit, but that is secondary. He has a kingdom plan, and we are part of it. Like Iyov (Job), if our suffering serves His purpose then that is what we signed up for when we accepted Elohei Yisroel as our God. But moreover I am coming to see His timing is perfect, His encounters intentional. You may through your illness meet that one person He wants you to witness to. And you may or may not ever see the fruits of that witness. That is where faith and trust come in.
So stay the course. You are growing, I can see it in your post. As the Pentecostals say, "Let go and let God."
True there is a promise of healing there. However Yeshayah 53 is a Messianic prophecy, and this refers more to our salvation than temporal healing. We will receive a new, glorified body at the resurrection, which is (I think) more the point here. Hang on to your faith until the end, regardless the state of your health.
With my neuropathy and the cancer I face a particularly horrific death unless He takes me out sooner. I pray for that, but moreover I pray for the strength through His grace to face whatever comes. It is in His hands. So I am not just throwing out platitudes here. I can't "know" what you are going through, but I can have a pretty good idea. “Put your trust in the Lord Yeshua and you will be saved—you and your household!” (Acts 16:31) Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous. Do not be frightened, and do not be dismayed, for the LORD your God is with you wherever you go. (Joshua 1:9)
I find a lot of solace in this:
Isaiah 42:3, “A bruised reed He will not break; and a smoldering wick He will not snuff out.”
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Post by Questor on Feb 10, 2024 12:38:14 GMT -8
It's been nearly 10 years since I began this thread. I am not sure of my motivation at the time. Did I want encouragement? Did I want to brag on Abba arranging so much healing at the time I first wrote, and the further healing I expected?
It is one of the reasons I look at healing differently these days. There are so many people struggling that I don't even want to speak of my difficulties, when I know that others are in worse trouble than I. Still, this thread seemed . . . unfinished, so I decided to add to it.
I do not think G-d creates the difficulties we go through, for we live in a broken world that continues to degrade, while the Adversary makes use of it. Abba allows it in his permissive will, and does use it to a degree for testing, and for for teaching (chastisement), although it is difficult for us to discern what G-d is trying to get our attention about except in hindsight, and with the help of haRuach haKodesh.
We live in a damaged and broken world that grows more difficult to live in all the time, and having been cursed with a process of dying from Adam and Chava onwards, dying we die from conception onwards.
The nefesh, however, does not leave the body readily, but clings tightly to the flesh we want so much to be rid of. I often tell G-d I want to be done, to be out of this slowly failing envelope, and to enter the Kingdom, but I almost instantly add that I know I am not done yet, that there is more to learn, or to do, and only he can know the moment I can exit this world for another. It does not stop me from wanting to do so. I merely become aware that I am not in charge of the process, and like Job, I do not have any idea of what G-d is doing.
I am not enjoying the process of life to death into life. No one does, and some have more painful journeys than others. Yours is a case in point.
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). That makes me feel better being here, I can tell you one thing I have always felt like Hashem likes the Marine Corps, I used to think while my mind wondered while I was at PT at 0430 in the Morning, what if I passed Yeshua, Green on Green with reflector belt out on PT road, what he would say to me.
