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I mean did you turn the other cheek or just see that you were cornered. OK, just to show you I could- tink about which cheek I'd show you. And just to show you I won't- I apologize (with reservations here for instructional purposes- I did just say it after all), as that was a rude, scoffing comment. And I made the scoffing comment about your last post so I could do this for the previous post- I concede the point. I am cornered. You got me ... (*resists further coment*).Hey ther , seeing as you conceded my point, how about what this fellow wrote in another thread in late may. Again the LORD called, “Samuel!” And Samuel got up and went to Eli and said, “Here I am; you called me.” “My son,” Eli said, “I did not call; go back and lie down.” (1 Samuel 3:6) We also see God using the same word (ben) to call Israel His firstborn son in Exodus 4:22 ‘This is what the LORD says: Israel is my firstborn son, 23 and I told you, “Let my son go, so he may worship me.” (Exodus 4:22) Genesis 3:15 uses the word seed or “zera” to tell us that there will be enmity between the seed of the woman and the seed of the serpent. Now a literal interpretation here would be ridiculous as it would have to mean that Eve’s children would be fighting with snakes. Scripture clearly shows us that the word ”zerah” isn’t always limited to mean physical human offspring and here are a few examples. a. In Gen 47:24 it refers to sowing b. In Gen 47:19, 23 , it refers to actual seed that is planted in the ground. Metaphorically we also see that Judah’s idolatry (Isaiah 17:11), the fortunes of Zion (Psalm 126:6) and King Zedekiah (Ezekiel 17;5) are all likened to seed or zera. c. In Proverbs 11:21 the word “zera” identifies groups and individuals that are united by a common quality. "Be sure of this: the evil man shall not be unpunished; but the seed of the righteous shall escape." The use of Zerah in Prov. 11:21 is metaphorical and cannot mean “literal descendants” because that would mean that the literal descendants of a wicked person are doomed to punishment even if they live a Godly life. Why? Because they are not the children of a righteous man. If ‘zera” here meant literal offspring it would mean you would have to interpret Pro. 11:21 as teaching that your punishment or deliverance is decided by your ancestors, no matter what your personal righteousness is. This interpretation doesn't make sense and scripture itself nullifies it as we see that there are righteous people in the Bible whose ancestors were wicked. For e.g Godly King Hezekiah, the direct descendent of wicked King Ahaz and is also a contradiction to Ezekiel 18:20. "The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. " According to Proverbs 11:21, the righteous person is considered among the descendants of the righteous because he himself shares the common quality with all those people who live by God’s standards, regardless of whether his own physical father was righteous or not. d. To mean physical descendants (Gen. 46:6) "So Jacob and all his offspring went to Egypt, taking with them their livestock and the possessions they had acquired in Canaan." e. To mean spiritual descendants (Genesis. 15:5) as we shall see. Often times in scripture we see the words “offspring”/“zerah” and “forever” occurring together. For example 2 Ch.13:5 says: “Don’t you know that the LORD, the God of Israel, has given the kingship of Israel to David and his descendants forever by a covenant of salt?” Clearly “forever “ in such phrases is not limited to the physical but also extends to the spiritual because the physical cannot guarantee the everlasting succession of descendants due to factors like a person’s wickedness, covenant curses like exile which made Zedekiah the last king, a person not marrying or having children etc… Let’s examine an example with Abram. When God calls Abram, in Genesis 12:7, He promises to give him and his offspring the land. Read more: theloveofgod.proboards.com/thread/3381/offspring-zera-literal-metaphorical-isaiah?page=1&scrollTo=16699#ixzz34HOHCHVYIs that not wonderful? |
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Post by alon on Jun 10, 2014 15:36:54 GMT -8
Again the LORD called, “Samuel!” And Samuel got up and went to Eli and said, “Here I am; you called me.” “My son,” Eli said, “I did not call; go back and lie down.” (1 Samuel 3:6) We also see God using the same word (ben) to call Israel His firstborn son in Exodus 4:22 ‘This is what the LORD says: Israel is my firstborn son, 23 and I told you, “Let my son go, so he may worship me.” (Exodus 4:22) Yes, Israel is called the Son of God. And yes, this is a very important idea for us to take hold of. Now relate it to your point. Again true, seed can be literal, spiritual, allegorical, or related to many other things. Many midrashim are made about seed. Yeshua Himself talked about "seed" falling on different types of ground. OK, not much of a stretch to make this d'rash. It obviously means those we bring to the Grace of God, not our physical children who themselves have the freedom to choose. Very. But did you just cut and paste this from someone else's post? [/quote] |
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Post by Questor on Jun 11, 2014 17:09:23 GMT -8
. It is important to consider that there is a definite corporate element to these promises. For example: Ex 23:25-26 “ Worship the Lord your God, and his blessing will be on your food and water. I will take away sickness from among you, and none will miscarry or be barren in your land. I will give you a full life span.”
Our nation has stopped worshiping God as a whole, and our food and water are being poisoned at alarming rates. We suffer from sicknesses whose symptoms were unheard of when you and I were children, and the U.S. was more Godly, even if mainC. Mat 5:45 “That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.”The entire nation or people receive the same treatment (to a degree) because of the predominant culture. When our nation sought God, we prospered. Now, as we turn more and more away, our economy is tanking even as we struggle to meet health care costs brought on by our turning away fro God.
But Abba did also say that if we would turn away from our ways and return to Him He would heal our land. I do not see that ahead, alas...not for the West...not for America.
The most that I can count on is that as I follow Abba's direction for my life, and as I do as He directs me, I will one day soon present some evidence of what Abba will do for those that love Him. What seems to be most strange about my ills, and how they are to be solved will be with the fruits of the earth, and the herbs of the field...and the minerals in rocks in conjunction with the Power of G-d...not the medical system. The economy will tank, and the medical system be less useful and less available...the people around us will crumble...but with Yehoshua, we can stand.
And as we stand for Him, against the world, Abba will have mercy on us singly, even as His wrath is stored up against the end of days that is so close, but we will alas suffer as a body of believers living in the midst of an idolatrous nation. |
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Post by alon on Jun 11, 2014 21:26:34 GMT -8
They do it at the AoG church I attend, but I won't participate. First, I don't really think they are biblical in their aplications as they'll let anyone anoint with any oil that's handy. They prefer light kitchen oils, but if you just changed the oil in the car and didn't want to waste it you'd probably be OK with them. Second, whenever you lay hands like that there are spiritual consequences. I don't need any more demons than what I already got!
Not what you're looking for probably, but it's all I got.
Dan C
Mod Note: If you are going to lift someone els's post like that you might want to get their permission. You certainly need to give them credit for the post. Put it in a quote box so it can't be missed or mixed. DC
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2014 6:04:52 GMT -8
Have you ever used olive oil on your skin personally? Or your hair? If so then you should know what oil is best. Be very careful with application of love, do it with love.
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Post by Questor on Jun 20, 2014 21:51:37 GMT -8
Your reminder of the corporate church being chastised here in America is timely, and all too evident.
But Abba did also say that if we would turn away from our ways and return to Him He would heal our land. I do not see that ahead, alas...not for the West...not for America.
The most that I can count on is that as I follow Abba's direction for my life, and as I do as He directs me, I will one day soon present some evidence of what Abba will do for those that love Him. What seems to be most strange about my ills, and how they are to be solved will be with the fruits of the earth, and the herbs of the field...and the minerals in rocks in conjunction with the Power of G-d...not the medical system. The economy will tank, and the medical system be less useful and less available...the people around us will crumble...but with Yehoshua, we can stand.
And as we stand for Him, against the world, Abba will have mercy on us singly, even as His wrath is stored up against the end of days that is so close, but we will alas suffer as a body of believers living in the midst of an idolatrous nation.
Well, there is nothing like putting your faith out there, so I and a mainC friend, whom I love, and who loves me dearly, and both of us showing the evidence of good fruit in our lives, hopefully fulfilling the role of 'an elder of the assembly', joined today in a nice little ritual...I made it up on the spot, hopefully with imput from the Ruach haKodesh.
We took a small dollop of extra virgin olive oil on a plate, and prayed over it for the blessing of the oil, in the name of Yehoshua, agreeing that it should be so blessed.
Then, in mirror image fashion, I dabbed my right fore-finger in the oil, and touched it to my friend's forehead, and placing my hand on my friend's back, where there was pain, stated firmly, and in belief, and full expectation of receiving the promise given us in Scripture said, and saying so out loud..."In the full confidence in, and expectation of the promises of G-d which cannot return void in my righteousness in Yehoshua"..."Be healed in the name of Yehoshua."
My friend did the same, slightly modified words, since we were both feeling our sciatica today, and are sick of waiting to be healed by request when the Scriptures say "DO!".
Then we restated our expectation in the promise that Abba made us, and claimed the promise in the rightousness of Yehoshua, in the full belief that G-d will keep His word. I also informed my friend that we needed to keep claiming the promise in full expectation, until we receive the healing, by saying, "I am healed by G-d in the name of Yehoshua", and my friend agreed with me, both as to now, and for the future.
And, so now I am expecting my healing, and will do so until I get it...daily.
It is up to my faith, and my expectation of the promises to obtain the healing from Abba. He promised...I am righteous in Yehoshua, and thus am able to be blessed with healing, therefore, I will be healed. I merely have to hold onto the promise, and expect fulfillment. Will I receive it immediately? I don't know, but I hope that my faith is strong enough...as large as a mustard seed. Abba has His own timing issues, and I cannot tell if what I am doing is part of a test, but darn it, I am EXPECTING TO BE HEALED.
Yehoshua, and the Apostles were able to heal immediately...I know it can happen, but alas I am aware that I am not an apostle...were I trying to walk on the water, Yehoshua would be trailing me through it, shaking His head, and saying, "Wherefore didst thou doubt?"
In the mean time, I get to report progress on my general body health, that by following directions from Abba when asking Him what I was not doing to promote healing about two months ago, having received an answer immedietely, and following up on what I was bidden to do, then and since by the Ruach...I had to do research and get some tests done.., and then react to the tests and information given by Abba and the Ruach, and I am much improved over all, to the point that those who know me are saying, Wow, you ARE a lot better.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 15:19:39 GMT -8
i 've prayed for you Questor, continue your search for the truth and be healed in this.
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Post by madad on Jun 25, 2014 2:49:14 GMT -8
For all that has been said in regard to this thread on healing from G-d, we disciples of Yehoshua are supposed to lay hands on, anoint with oil, and pray for the sick. Is anyone out there experiencing this at their places of worship?
Well, there is nothing like putting your faith out there, so I and a mainC friend, whom I love, and who loves me dearly, and both of us showing the evidence of good fruit in our lives, hopefully fulfilling the role of 'an elder of the assembly', joined today in a nice little ritual...I made it up on the spot, hopefully with imput from the Ruach haKodesh.
We took a small dollop of extra virgin olive oil on a plate, and prayed over it for the blessing of the oil, in the name of Yehoshua, agreeing that it should be so blessed.
Then, in mirror image fashion, I dabbed my right fore-finger in the oil, and touched it to my friend's forehead, and placing my hand on my friend's back, where there was pain, stated firmly, and in belief, and full expectation of receiving the promise given us in Scripture said, and saying so out loud..."In the full confidence in, and expectation of the promises of G-d which cannot return void in my righteousness in Yehoshua"..."Be healed in the name of Yehoshua."
My friend did the same, slightly modified words, since we were both feeling our sciatica today, and are sick of waiting to be healed by request when the Scriptures say "DO!".
Then we restated our expectation in the promise that Abba made us, and claimed the promise in the rightousness of Yehoshua, in the full belief that G-d will keep His word. I also informed my friend that we needed to keep claiming the promise in full expectation, until we receive the healing, by saying, "I am healed by G-d in the name of Yehoshua", and my friend agreed with me, both as to now, and for the future.
And, so now I am expecting my healing, and will do so until I get it...daily.
It is up to my faith, and my expectation of the promises to obtain the healing from Abba. He promised...I am righteous in Yehoshua, and thus am able to be blessed with healing, therefore, I will be healed. I merely have to hold onto the promise, and expect fulfillment. Will I receive it immediately? I don't know, but I hope that my faith is strong enough...as large as a mustard seed. Abba has His own timing issues, and I cannot tell if what I am doing is part of a test, but darn it, I am EXPECTING TO BE HEALED.
Yehoshua, and the Apostles were able to heal immediately...I know it can happen, but alas I am aware that I am not an apostle...were I trying to walk on the water, Yehoshua would be trailing me through it, shaking His head, and saying, "Wherefore didst thou doubt?"
In the mean time, I get to report progress on my general body health, that by following directions from Abba when asking Him what I was not doing to promote healing about two months ago, having received an answer immedietely, and following up on what I was bidden to do, then and since by the Ruach...I had to do research and get some tests done.., and then react to the tests and information given by Abba and the Ruach, and I am much improved over all, to the point that those who know me are saying, Wow, you ARE a lot better.
Baruch haShem!!! Hi Quester, Im here sorry it took so long, am loving you and praying for you also, hopefully I will have another friend joining us, she had the same trouble as you on the other forum, so I hope you dont mind I refereed her, I told her to say hi if she does. |
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Post by Questor on Jun 26, 2014 15:39:25 GMT -8
Well, there is nothing like putting your faith out there, so I and a mainC friend, whom I love, and who loves me dearly, and both of us showing the evidence of good fruit in our lives, hopefully fulfilling the role of 'an elder of the assembly', joined today in a nice little ritual...I made it up on the spot, hopefully with imput from the Ruach haKodesh.
We took a small dollop of extra virgin olive oil on a plate, and prayed over it for the blessing of the oil, in the name of Yehoshua, agreeing that it should be so blessed.
Then, in mirror image fashion, I dabbed my right fore-finger in the oil, and touched it to my friend's forehead, and placing my hand on my friend's back, where there was pain, stated firmly, and in belief, and full expectation of receiving the promise given us in Scripture said, and saying so out loud..."In the full confidence in, and expectation of the promises of G-d which cannot return void in my righteousness in Yehoshua"..."Be healed in the name of Yehoshua."
My friend did the same, slightly modified words, since we were both feeling our sciatica today, and are sick of waiting to be healed by request when the Scriptures say "DO!".
Then we restated our expectation in the promise that Abba made us, and claimed the promise in the rightousness of Yehoshua, in the full belief that G-d will keep His word. I also informed my friend that we needed to keep claiming the promise in full expectation, until we receive the healing, by saying, "I am healed by G-d in the name of Yehoshua", and my friend agreed with me, both as to now, and for the future.
And, so now I am expecting my healing, and will do so until I get it...daily.
It is up to my faith, and my expectation of the promises to obtain the healing from Abba. He promised...I am righteous in Yehoshua, and thus am able to be blessed with healing, therefore, I will be healed. I merely have to hold onto the promise, and expect fulfillment. Will I receive it immediately? I don't know, but I hope that my faith is strong enough...as large as a mustard seed. Abba has His own timing issues, and I cannot tell if what I am doing is part of a test, but darn it, I am EXPECTING TO BE HEALED.
Yehoshua, and the Apostles were able to heal immediately...I know it can happen, but alas I am aware that I am not an apostle...were I trying to walk on the water, Yehoshua would be trailing me through it, shaking His head, and saying, "Wherefore didst thou doubt?"
In the mean time, I get to report progress on my general body health, that by following directions from Abba when asking Him what I was not doing to promote healing about two months ago, having received an answer immedietely, and following up on what I was bidden to do, then and since by the Ruach...I had to do research and get some tests done.., and then react to the tests and information given by Abba and the Ruach, and I am much improved over all, to the point that those who know me are saying, Wow, you ARE a lot better.
Baruch haShem!!! Hi Quester, Im here sorry it took so long, am loving you and praying for you also, hopefully I will have another friend joining us, she had the same trouble as you on the other forum, so I hope you dont mind I refereed her, I told her to say hi if she does.
Back to healing...Abba brought to my notice one particular thing that Yehoshua said...even if He said it in the context of speaking to practicing Jews..."I would above all things that you prosper, and be in health, even as your soul prospers."
As best I can see, the above quote has to be considered from the context...Yehoshua was speaking to those of the Mosaic Covenant...not to Messianic Gentiles. The Jews had to be in obedience to gain health and prosperity, even as they needed to be in faith.
Too many MainC Believers think that obedience does not matter...that Yehoshua's righteousness being transferred to anyone that enters into the New Covenant by faith, and receives the indwelling of the Ruach haKodesh, obedience is not a condition for receiving the blessing of YHVH...only faith is. Well, faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the reading of the Word of G-d.
I think that obedience to G-d is important for Gentiles as well as Jews...it is the only way to show love for G-d. Yehoshua was perplexed by those who said that they loved Him, and yet did not obey Him...making it plain that lack of obedience was a problem...with the Jews. Gentiles were not even a part of the equation when Yehoshua was saddened by the people not being obedient.
Yet, I, as a Gentile, still take that statement of Yehoshua's to heart...He wants me to prosper and be in health, even as my soul prospers...and the only way I see my soul prospering is to be more in obedience to those commandments in the New Covenant...Love the Lord G-d with all your mind, soul, heart and strength, and your neighbor as yourself...which is also the basis for the  .
After eliminating the commandments that relate to the Temple, the Cohanim, and the civil law of the Israelites...what commandments are those that need to be kept by the Gentiles in order to have their souls prosper? |
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Post by Questor on Jun 26, 2014 15:41:05 GMT -8
i 've prayed for you Questor, continue your search for the truth and be healed in this. |
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Post by Questor on Jun 26, 2014 15:43:22 GMT -8
Hi Quester, Im here sorry it took so long, am loving you and praying for you also, hopefully I will have another friend joining us, she had the same trouble as you on the other forum, so I hope you dont mind I refereed her, I told her to say hi if she does.
Back to healing...Abba brought to my notice one particular thing that Yehoshua said...even if He said it in the context of speaking to practicing Jews..."I would above all things that you prosper, and be in health, even as your soul prospers."
As best I can see, the above quote has to be considered from the context...Yehoshua was speaking to those of the Mosaic Covenant...not to Messianic Gentiles. The Jews had to be in obedience to gain health and prosperity, even as they needed to be in faith.
Too many MainC Believers think that obedience does not matter...that Yehoshua's righteousness being transferred to anyone that enters into the New Covenant by faith, and receives the indwelling of the Ruach haKodesh, obedience is not a condition for receiving the blessing of YHVH...only faith is. Well, faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the reading of the Word of G-d.
I think that obedience to G-d is important for Gentiles as well as Jews...it is the only way to show love for G-d. Yehoshua was perplexed by those who said that they loved Him, and yet did not obey Him...making it plain that lack of obedience was a problem...with the Jews. Gentiles were not even a part of the equation when Yehoshua was saddened by the people not being obedient.
Yet, I, as a Gentile, still take that statement of Yehoshua's to heart...He wants me to prosper and be in health, even as my soul prospers...and the only way I see my soul prospering is to be more in obedience to those commandments in the New Covenant...Love the Lord G-d with all your mind, soul, heart and strength, and your neighbor as yourself...which is also the basis for the .
After eliminating the commandments that relate to the Temple, the Cohanim, and the civil law of the Israelites...what commandments are those that need to be kept by the Gentiles in order to have their souls prosper? |
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Post by Questor on Jun 26, 2014 15:43:53 GMT -8
Hi Quester, Im here sorry it took so long, am loving you and praying for you also, hopefully I will have another friend joining us, she had the same trouble as you on the other forum, so I hope you dont mind I refereed her, I told her to say hi if she does.
Back to healing...Abba brought to my notice one particular thing that Yehoshua said...even if He said it in the context of speaking to practicing Jews..."I would above all things that you prosper, and be in health, even as your soul prospers."
As best I can see, the above quote has to be considered from the context...Yehoshua was speaking to those of the Mosaic Covenant...not to Messianic Gentiles. The Jews had to be in obedience to gain health and prosperity, even as they needed to be in faith.
Too many MainC Believers think that obedience does not matter...that Yehoshua's righteousness being transferred to anyone that enters into the New Covenant by faith, and receives the indwelling of the Ruach haKodesh, obedience is not a condition for receiving the blessing of YHVH...only faith is. Well, faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the reading of the Word of G-d.
I think that obedience to G-d is important for Gentiles as well as Jews...it is the only way to show love for G-d. Yehoshua was perplexed by those who said that they loved Him, and yet did not obey Him...making it plain that lack of obedience was a problem...with the Jews. Gentiles were not even a part of the equation when Yehoshua was saddened by the people not being obedient.
Yet, I, as a Gentile, still take that statement of Yehoshua's to heart...He wants me to prosper and be in health, even as my soul prospers...and the only way I see my soul prospering is to be more in obedience to those commandments in the New Covenant...Love the Lord G-d with all your mind, soul, heart and strength, and your neighbor as yourself...which is also the basis for the .
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Post by alon on Jun 27, 2014 11:24:17 GMT -8
After eliminating the commandments that relate to the Temple, the Cohanim, and the civil law of the Israelites...what commandments are those that need to be kept by the Gentiles in order to have their souls prosper? Actually, a good Christian should be doing most of the mitzvoth that apply to us any how. So mostly the moedim, including Shabbat, dietary laws and tzitzyot, a mezuzah and that pretty much covers it (at least what my sleep deprived brain can think on right now). Oh, and tevilah (total immersion baptism). Anything else you can think of? Dan C |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2014 12:56:47 GMT -8
After eliminating the commandments that relate to the Temple, the Cohanim, and the civil law of the Israelites...what commandments are those that need to be kept by the Gentiles in order to have their souls prosper? Actually, a good Christian should be doing most of the mitzvoth that apply to us any how. So mostly the moedim, including Shabbat, dietary laws and tzitzyot, a mezuzah and that pretty much covers it (at least what my sleep deprived brain can think on right now). Oh, and tevilah (total immersion baptism). Anything else you can think of? Dan C Does questor not mean, what is their doctrine? I believe keeps the denominations so many is the clear lack of adherance to the law. The abandonment of Shabbat and many other fundamentals Yeshua preached is like building their houses on the sand. I watched an epidode of enterprise recently and one of the characters referred to someone speaking unsoundly(unjustly) as "speaking shale". I thought this a wonderful allegory for the mainc. |
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