Rabbinic Judaism Gone Wild

[zionlion]

This poor soul gives new meaning to the word "misguided".
A good example of the danger of religiosity.

Are there really yeshivas out there that teach this stuff?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1NLdRVkJiA

[David Ben Yosef]

Oct 7, 2010 17:47:43 GMT -8 zionlion said:

Are there really yeshivas out there that teach this stuff?

Yeshiva? That looks like some clown anti-Zionist Israeli on a news cast. And no, those views are not taught in any Orthodox yeshiva that's for sure! The guy is a traitor.

I'm curious as to why you call it "Rabbinic" Judaism when all Judaism is "Rabbinic." Seems kind of odd, Bro.

[lawrenceofisrael]

there is a group of ultra orthodox jews in america and europe and even yisrael who claim that zionism is against the . One of their leaders is rabbi weiss and their organisation is called neturei karta.
they even met ahmadinedschad for making plans of a peaceful dismantling of the "zionist cancer state".
may peace and blessings be upon you all in the name of yeshua.

[David Ben Yosef]

I don't see how anyone who is observant can be anti-Zionist. That's an oxymoron don't you think?


Shalom

[lawrenceofisrael]

yes it truly is. but they don´t really observe the but rather the talmud and rabbinic teachings.

it´s just as if someone says: "how could that genocide in bosnia happen if the serbians are bible-observing christians?"

peace be upon upon you.

[David Ben Yosef]

I'm only in my first year of Talmudic study, but I haven't come across anything even remotely anti-Zionist in the text. Surely your not suggesting the Sages of Israel were anti-Zionists? What other Rabbinic writings are you referring to?

[lawrenceofisrael]

probably its just their own interpretations of these texts. im not into talmud as well i just quote what i heard from them. what i know is that within the different groups of judaism there are quite a lot of differences so maybe its just the idea of some hardcore preachers.

[vujo]

Oct 10, 2010 23:44:12 GMT -8 @lawrenceofisrael said:

yes it truly is. but they don´t really observe the but rather the talmud and rabbinic teachings.

it´s just as if someone says: "how could that genocide in bosnia happen if the serbians are bible-observing christians?"

peace be upon upon you.

Not a very good example.
Genocide is what Germans did in Europe 70 years ago. What Serbs did was defense against Muslim aggression.
Bleep be upon you.

[lawrenceofisrael]

yeh come on they both had their part in it. and srebrenica and tuzla was certainly not a defensive move.
and why do you swear at me because of that??

[vujo]

Oct 12, 2010 3:39:04 GMT -8 @lawrenceofisrael said:

yeh come on they both had their part in it. and srebrenica and tuzla was certainly not a defensive move.
and why do you swear at me because of that??

Srebrenica was supposed to be a demilitarized zone, and instead it was a base for 10000 jihadists who raided serbian villages for 3 years and killed 2500 women, children and elderly people.
They were offered to surrender and have their lives sparred but they refused. Not a single woman or child was hurt.
This is all very similar to the Gaza scenario, and we hear the same story from Western politicians and media.

About swearing, I tend to do that when I respond to casual accusations of genocide. Maybe you should be silent about things you know nothing about.

p.s. What about Tuzla?

[lawrenceofisrael]

first of all where did you get all your information from? secondly swearing is never allowed if you call yourself a believer and thirdly why do you claim that i know nothing about conflict when i just wrote an exam about it.

I am someone who likes to hear the version of every faction in a warzone and certainly the shelling of bosnian cities and the raiding of karadzic forces were not directed at the so called jihadists (a word that doesn´t even exist) .
and i confused tuzla with bihac and gorazde.

and i know that certain bosnian and foreign muslims committed crimes against serbians thats no secret. but i also know that european neonazis for example russians used to fight for the serbians.

and by the way just because there is a group that fights so called jihad doesnt mean they are the bad guys. the taliban used to be the heroes when fighting against the soviets, today they are being the bloodthirsty, wicked men of evil.
in chechnya its the same, they are called terrorists just because they defend their brothers and sisters in faith while the russians killed half of their population and carpet-bombed their cities.
what would you do if you´d live there?

at last im gonna remind you that swearing is not only forbidden by the creator but also against the forum rules so i´d ask you to stop doing so.

[vujo]

first of all where did you get all your information from?

I lived through it.

secondly swearing is never allowed if you call yourself a believer and thirdly why do you claim that i know nothing about conflict when i just wrote an exam about it.

ridiculous

I am someone who likes to hear the version of every faction in a warzone and certainly the shelling of bosnian cities and the raiding of karadzic forces were not directed at the so called jihadists (a word that doesn´t even exist) .

When an enemy shoots at you from a city, you respond. American planes didn't kill nazi generals in German cities during the WWII.

and i confused tuzla with bihac and gorazde.

You are confused. What about Bihac and Gorazde?

and i know that certain bosnian and foreign muslims committed crimes against serbians thats no secret. but i also know that european neonazis for example russians used to fight for the serbians.

European neo nazis fought for Serbs? Where is your evidence? On the contrary, German and other nazis fought on Croatian side.

and by the way just because there is a group that fights so called jihad doesnt mean they are the bad guys. the taliban used to be the heroes when fighting against the soviets, today they are being the bloodthirsty, wicked men of evil.
in chechnya its the same, they are called terrorists just because they defend their brothers and sisters in faith while the russians killed half of their population and carpet-bombed their cities.
what would you do if you´d live there?

It's unbelievable how much nonsense you can spout in one sentence. That's Russian-hating nazi in you talking. So, while terrorists are beheading Russians and Serbs (maybe even Jews?), they are good guys, and when they set off a bomb in Western Europe, they are the embodiment of evil?

at last im gonna remind you that swearing is not only forbidden by the creator but also against the forum rules so i´d ask you to stop doing so.

You nazi hypocrite, you're so touchy when your delicate feelings are hurt, but you don't care when you falsely accuse an entire nation of genocide.
They can ban me if they like, I wouldn't want to be in the same forum with you anyway.

[lawrenceofisrael]

halleluyah this is a forum for believers and those interested in discussing about the faith and im not touchy when someone hurts my feelings because a disbeliever can´t hurt my feelings. im too proud and my creator gave me too much honor you know.
and yeh right call me nazi this is the best way for people like you to try to insult me and that is riddicolous. if i was a nazi why do i have friends from armenia, turkey, congo, russia, kazakhstan, serbia, poland etc. and why am i critizising my brothers for the lack of a global brotherhood then huh?

terrorists behead russians in chechnya right. who told you that? fox news?? i´d advice you to not get your informations second hand but rather let the ones talk that are involved.

you asked where my evidence is that nazis fought for serbs. well first of all where is your evidence that serbs where "defending" themselves.
my prove is your beloved media and several books about the conflict that i read.

and bihac and gorazde where cities in which murder from pillaging serbian troops took place as well.

so may the almighty guide you on the true path and if not i´ll leave it up to him.

peace and blessings be upon all my brothers and sisters in faith.

[tonga]

Fortuantely the Neuteri karta is a small group and not representative of Jews.
As much as I disagree with them, I can understand their point of view. The
State of Israel is secular, it is not based, and from the NK understanding
it is man made and not of G-d.

[zionlion]

Why would they think that the re-gathering of the people in the Land could be -based, since there could be no Temple until the people were in the Land to build one?
The fact that the people are in the Land is evidence enough that it is of G-d.
Can't they understand this?

This man is recognizing Allah as deity; not exactly something someone who claims to be observing should do.

Unfortunately, his black hat seems to match the color of his heart.