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Post by yeshuafreak on Nov 1, 2009 11:06:21 GMT -8
yes. but i dont blieve that hell is a literal place where spirits go. even if it was how christians imagine it, it wouldnt be a "place" because space-time does not exist on a spitirual realm.
i blieve that hell is a state of mind, just like heaven is. i think when your dead, your dead. but religion is one way to achieve happiness in THIS lifetime. there is much much more to it (law of polarities, law of retribution, Dao/will/light, the contraction, paths/de etc)
but i like to keep it simple when talking to people hwo dont have that much time on their hands
shalom
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Post by zionlion on Nov 2, 2009 16:25:34 GMT -8
'freak, I have some major disagreements with your theology but I'm very busy these days. I'll get back to you when I have more time. You know, my studies.  |
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Post by yeshuafreak on Nov 3, 2009 12:23:05 GMT -8
lol. i know i havent replied to anything with substance in forever. and since i posted "i disagree with your thoelogy" i have majorly changed my views. that is how it is with me. as i am constantly learning new things, i have to constantly see how it fits into my bleief or if it does at all, or if the evidence will motivate me to cahnge my bleief.
shalom
john
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Post by zionlion on Nov 3, 2009 23:37:04 GMT -8
If I weren't so busy with my studies, I'd ask you if you really believe that heaven and hell are merely states of mind and not in actual existence, but I don't have time now. I need to get back to my calculus. I'm sure you understand. |
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Post by yeshuafreak on Nov 9, 2009 14:35:26 GMT -8
lololol
i do really beleive heaven and hell are symbolic representations of spiritual happiness and life or despair and death.
i have a more buddhist look on the afterlife.
once i am dead i am dead. thats it i am gone. zippo. but that shouldnt keep me from being moral for certain reaons. i will still make an impact on others life and there is still a goal i am working towards when working together with the human race as a whole- the Adam Kodman, collective consciousness that broke off into individual egos in the shattering of vessels. (kabbalah)
shalom
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Post by zionlion on Nov 9, 2009 16:28:59 GMT -8
Oh, OK. I'd like to say that I understand but that wouldn't be the truth. I would pursue it further but this thread is already off track and I don't want to make it worse. I don't know enough about Buddhism or Kabbalah to start a thread, but maybe you could. Then you could tell me who Adam Kodman is.  In an effort to repair this thread, what do you think of Mr. Pearlmutter (remember him?)? I'm not going to call him "rabbi" because tonga may read this. |
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Post by azgdt5120 on Nov 9, 2009 18:17:14 GMT -8
May I ask you Yeshuafreak, do you believe in Yeshua's physical resurrection and the purpose of it? How does that fits into your "buddhist look" belief?
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Post by yeshuafreak on Nov 10, 2009 14:43:44 GMT -8
i have a jewish outlook but =i accept many buddhist principles.
i do believe in Yeshuas resurrection. physical one- i am not so sure currently. the purpose of his resurrection: spiritually it is to pave a path for us to walk on after his example. he symbolizes all paths to God.
but we DO need to get this thread back on track.
shalom
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Post by tonga on Nov 10, 2009 16:03:03 GMT -8
In an effort to repair this thread, what do you think of Mr. Pearlmutter (remember him?)? I'm not going to call him "rabbi" because tonga may read this. Yes, I am reading over your shoulder...heh heh...you never know when I'm around... |
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Post by zionlion on Nov 10, 2009 19:15:48 GMT -8
So it was you. I thought I felt something on my neck. I knew you couldn't be too far away because I know how fond you are of rabbi Mr. Pearlmutter. Are you absolutely sure he didn't graduate from the Mir? |
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Post by tonga on Nov 16, 2009 12:31:50 GMT -8
Are you absolutely sure he didn't graduate from the Mir? Not only did he not graduate from the Mir, he didn't hold smicha from any rabbinical school...not even a Messianic one, from what I can tell. A self proclaimed rabbi. Think I will proclaim myself a neurosurgeon and start raking in the big bucks |
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Post by zionlion on Nov 16, 2009 14:27:03 GMT -8
You can't do that. You don't have medical smicha. That takes years of medical education. Sorry, I couldn't resist. (And stop reading over my shoulder.) (And if you're going to quote me, please quote me accurately. You left out my smiley.) |
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Post by tonga on Nov 16, 2009 14:43:51 GMT -8
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Post by zionlion on Nov 16, 2009 15:47:00 GMT -8
Well, at least he looks like a rabbi. Do you walk around with a stethoscope? You worry about smiley overdose but think nothing of annoying me with those obnoxious white blobs. I don't get it. ;D (And it's against the rules here to stick your tongue out at a Full Member.)  |
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Post by Questor on Mar 12, 2014 16:24:34 GMT -8
It's a common premise within Christian doctrine that Messiah's death and resurrection abducated any role of  in our life. Few articulate it to this point; but basically, many believe that by acnowledging the righteousness of we are dismissing the righteousness of faith in Christ. Put simply, to embrace (to their thinking) is to deny Messiah. This, of course, is a rediculous argument for any Jew who would see the Messiah as the ultimate proponent of (as Yeshua declared Himself to be). Yet, this idea is perpetuated by misapplied Pauline statements such as this: I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness [come] by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. (Galatians 2:21 KJV)
For many Christians, attempting Observance is dangerous...they might lose their faith when the Adversary uses when he pushes your guilt button. I think that alone is a reason why so many Christians cling only to what Yeshua said, and not all that He did, and think that obedience to Yeshua is contained in 'love thy neighbor as thyself'...presuming of course if they keep that commandment either.
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