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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Mar 30, 2004 17:13:28 GMT -8
Why does most of the church not celebrate Passover? Messiah and all the apostles did. So did most of the holy men of G’d that we find in the bible. Does the newer testament have anything to say about this?
1CORINTHIANS 5:6-8
(6) Your glorying is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? (7) Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Messiah, our Passover, was sacrificed for us. 8 Therefore let us keep the feast , not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
So, we see here that Sha’ul (Paul) clearly admonishes us to keep the Passover feast, with Messiah in mind. So why does the Church not do it?? Understand, that the "Last Supper" was Yeshua (Jesus) and His disciples observing the Passover feast! The "Lord's Supper" is actually the Passover! When Yeshua said in Luke 22:19, " do this in remembrance of Me.", He was saying to celebrate the Passover/Pesach in the remembrance of Him.
When YHVH, who is one with Yeshua, instituted the Passover feast, it was instituted to look forward to this very meal that He was eating with His disciples before He was to be sacrificed just as the lambs without blemish were to be sacrificed. His blood would be above our door, so to speak. Yeshua had looked forward to this Passover meal from the beginning. Christianity misses out when they neglect the moedim of YHVH.
Shalom,
Reuel
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Post by Yochanah on Apr 18, 2004 18:40:00 GMT -8
After Paul was converted he spent three years in Arabia learning from Yeshua what was truth and what was the doctrines of men [Gal. 1:11-12]. He then tells his gentile converts [after Calvary] to imitate him [Phil. 4:9]. Not only did Paul tell us to keep the Feast of Unleavened Bread with "sincerity and truth" but as recorded, he also kept other feasts. [Acts 18:21, 20:6, and I Cor. 16:8].
It was in 364 AD when the Feasts of YHWH were usurped by the papacy at the Council of Laodicea. In canons #'s 37,38 and 39 observing, or even excepting a piece of unleavened bread from a "Jew" (true follower of Messiah) was forbidden. Most of the world follow the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church but are ignorant of the fact. This is why Easter is kept in place of Passover. But Easter is pagan.
There are great blessings to be gained from observing the appointed days of the Most High. Not only are they to honor Him but (as is His loving and perfect way) they are designed to be of great benefit to us as well. Praise His name, Yah!
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Apr 19, 2004 8:38:03 GMT -8
Well said.  The  thing is that many more in the "Church" do this with full knowledge of the roots, and background of what they are doing. Shalom, Reuel |
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Post by Yochanah on Apr 19, 2004 18:50:47 GMT -8
It is true that many in the "Church" know the roots of the pagan customs and practices that they continue to observe. But many of these also, at this time, see no problem in which day they worship on or how they worship as long as they "mean well". This is part of the false doctrine, "only believe'. Out of ignorance of the nature of the Almighty Creator of the "cosmos" [which means 'order'] and the lack of order and propriety in their own lives they can not understand, in their carnal nature, what the issues are. It is our duty, if we are converted and Messiah lives in us [Gal. 2:20] to fast and pray for these who are living under the delusions of Satan [2 Thess. 2:7-21]. Because our Heavenly Father is not "wroth forever" [Is. 57:16-18], He will heal and lead His children from their evil ways. He wants that not one is lost. Every woman's child is precious to Him. So precious that He sent His own Son to die in their place. It is our duty to love them, hate their sins, but love them, and earnestly seek their salvation through prayer, and by being a witness of the awesome changes that take place when we surrender to the Master Potter for new molding. It is when we become more like Him that others are drawn to Him as they desire what they see in us. Praise His blessed name, Yeshua, Yah saves!
Shalom,
Yochanah
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Post by Pammie on Feb 16, 2006 18:43:42 GMT -8
I agree with this. My heart is crying out for this. I KNOW it is right.
How can I begin to learn, honour and keep the feasts and fastings ordained by ADONAI? I have been reading Vayikra for guidance in these matters - I have bookmarked online Jewish calendars - honestly... I dont understand. I want to ~ i just dont know where to start.
Help?
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Post by Chizuk Emunah on Feb 17, 2006 5:12:21 GMT -8
Shalom Pammie. It is good that you are hungry to learn. Here are two great places to start: Hebrew Roots Yashanet Once you finish going through those, let me know and I'll provide you with more. I don't want to overwhelm you all at once.  |
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Feb 20, 2006 7:37:16 GMT -8
Shalom Pammie, I would first start by finding a local  observant Messianic Synagouge, or Fellowship whom celebrates Pesach (Passover). On the Jewish calendar Pesach starts on the evening of the 14th of Nisan. There are also several free online seders (order of the Pesach service) that are available to you. The following is a link to a free Messianic Haggadah/seder from "Heart Of Israel.com" : www.heartofisrael.org/pubs/Haggadah4.pdfI also reccomend the book, "G-d's Appointed Times". You may purchase a copy by visiting the following link: www.messianicjewish.net/gods-appointed-times.html Please let us know if you have any questions in particular. Blessings upon you in the name Of Yeshua our Messiah, Reuel |
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Post by avodah on Feb 28, 2010 0:26:30 GMT -8
Shalom. I have a question regarding "washing of feet"
Yeshua wash the feet of the disciple, and he said that we are also to do the same.
How do you guys see this , and if you guys see any connection with the requirements of priest to wash their hands and feet before entering into the holy of holies and approaching to the altar.
Also i wold like to learn how the passover take place in your congregations?
You guys meet in 14 nissan at synagogue ,or stay home, what time do you guys start the Seder, when you finish, you do washing of feet before the Seder ??
I want to learn from Jewish perspective how it is taking place.
Thank You in advance.
Blessed is He who comes in the name of YHWH
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Post by zionlion on Apr 17, 2011 16:58:25 GMT -8
"The blood shall be a sign for you on the houses where you live; and when I see the blood I will pass over you, and no plague will befall you to destroy you when I strike the land of Egypt."[Exodus 12:13]youtu.be/B2ePd43aon8
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Post by tonga on Apr 22, 2011 10:21:25 GMT -8
Why did G-d instruct to put blood on our doorposts? Surely he knew who was a Jew and
who was not.
So why the blood?
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Post by zionlion on Apr 23, 2011 18:14:44 GMT -8
I'm only a man. I can't know why He instructed to place the blood. But He has told us that, to Him, blood represents life; atonement; redemption; salvation; covenant; and deliverance. I suspect it has something to do with these things. What do the rabbis say? Shavua tov |
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Post by alon on Mar 16, 2015 22:59:01 GMT -8
Why did G-d instruct to put blood on our doorposts? Surely he knew who was a Jew and who was not. So why the blood?
My JPS study notes say that the Pesach (which means protection- I never caught that before) story was possibly a later addition based on an old shepherds superstition. I seriously doubt this, however I'll put it up for consideration because the authors are more learned than I am.
I've also heard this is based on a Near-Eastern custom of making a blood covenant in such a fashion. I've seen pictures of thresholds with a trough and bowl carved into the stone of the threshold. This was for collecting the blood of an animal sacrificed right on the doorway. If blood is placed on the posts and lentil, anyone entering was almost made a member of the family. It was a serious covenant. So the main reason if this is true would be that G-d was taking another step in making the Hebrews His own. I tend to believe this, as like most of what G-d does it is rich in symbolism and imagery. Most of this I remember from a Rico Cortes video, which I no longer have so consider the sources: Cortes, who probably did OK on this, and my failing memory.
Being a Messianic believer I also see it as pointing to Yeshua's sacrifice for our sins @1500 yrs. later. Your mileage may vary some on that point.
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Post by alon on Mar 16, 2015 23:27:42 GMT -8
Shalom. I have a question regarding "washing of feet" Yeshua wash the feet of the disciple, and he said that we are also to do the same. How do you guys see this , and if you guys see any connection with the requirements of priest to wash their hands and feet before entering into the holy of holies and approaching to the altar.
John 13:1-17 (CJB) 1 It was just before the festival of Pesach, and Yeshua knew that the time had come for him to pass from this world to the Father. ... 2 They were at supper, ... 3 Yeshua was aware that the Father had put everything in his power, and that he had come from God and was returning to God. 4 So he rose from the table, removed his outer garments and wrapped a towel around his waist. 5 Then he poured some water into a basin and began to wash the feet of the talmidim and wipe them off with the towel wrapped around him.
6 He came to Shim‘on Kefa, who said to him, “Lord! You are washing my feet?” 7 Yeshua answered him, “You don’t understand yet what I am doing, but in time you will understand.” 8 “No!” said Kefa, “You will never wash my feet!” Yeshua answered him, “If I don’t wash you, you have no share with me.” 9 “Lord,” Shim‘on Kefa replied, “not only my feet, but my hands and head too!” 10 Yeshua said to him, “A man who has had a bath doesn’t need to wash, except his feet — his body is already clean. And you people are clean, but not all of you.” 11 (He knew who was betraying him; this is why he said, “Not all of you are clean.”)
12 After he had washed their feet, taken back his clothes and returned to the table, he said to them, “Do you understand what I have done to you? 13 You call me ‘Rabbi’ and ‘Lord,’ and you are right, because I am. 14 Now if I, the Lord and Rabbi, have washed your feet, you also should wash each other’s feet. 15 For I have set you an example, so that you may do as I have done to you. 16 Yes, indeed! I tell you, a slave is not greater than his master, nor is an emissary greater than the one who sent him. 17 If you know these things, you will be blessed if you do them.
I see this as a lesson in humility. It is also a lesson that the teacher should care more for his talmidim than for his own status. I was once asked what I thought the most important trait of a good instructor was. I replied he wants to give his students the tools to become better than he is in the discipline being taught. Many want to make carbon copies of themselves. How arrogant.
I've never seen a foot washing done as part of Pesach, but that doesn't mean much as I'm still learning. I don't see it as commanded for the Pesach Seder, although it could be inferred that since Yeshua did it at this time we should too. It should be done on the evening of 14 Nissan, preferably in the home. If you can't do it at home the next best thing is to try and get invited to someone else's home for Pesach. Failing that, some synagogues do a Pesach Seder either on the evening of the 14th, or sometimes on the day of the 14th. This is so they can have Pesach in their own homes, but come together to help those who aren't able to do it in the home to have a Pesach meal. Last resort, and what I do if I can't find any way to do the other options is I find a demonstration Seder somewhere as close to Pesach as possible and attend that. I still keep the day of Pesach the best I can as well.
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Post by alon on Mar 17, 2015 5:43:06 GMT -8
Pesach is in a way the exception to the rule that all the feasts are commanded for everyone.
Exodus 12:43-49 (KJV)
43 And the Lord said unto Moses and Aaron, This is the ordinance of the passover: There shall no stranger eat thereof:
H5236 נכר nêkâr nay-kawr' From H5234; foreign, or (concretely) a foreigner, or (abstractly) heathendom: - alien, strange (+ -er).
44 But every man's servant that is bought for money, when thou hast circumcised him, then shall he eat thereof.
H5650 עבד ‛ebed eh'-bed From H5647; a servant: - X bondage, bondman, [bond-] servant, (man-) servant.
45 A foreigner and an hired servant shall not eat thereof.H8453 תּשׁב תּושׁב tôshâb tôshâb to-shawb', to-shawb' from H3427; a dweller (but not outlandish, H5237); especially (as distinguished from a native citizen (active participle of H3427) and a temporary inmate, H1616, or mere lodger, H3885) resident alien: - foreigner-inhabitant, sojourner, stranger.
H7916 שׂכיר śâkı̂yr saw-keer' From H7936; a man at wages by the day or year: - hired (man, servant), hireling.
46 In one house shall it be eaten; thou shalt not carry forth ought of the flesh abroad out of the house; neither shall ye break a bone thereof.
47 All the congregation of Israel shall keep it.
48 And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the Lord, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.
49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.H249 אזרח 'ezrâch ez-rawkh' From H2224 (in the sense of springing up); a spontaneous growth, that is, native (tree or persons): - bay tree, (home-) born (in the land), of the (one’s own) country (nation).
H1616 גּיר גּר gêr gêyr gare, gare From H1481; properly a guest; by implication a foreigner: - alien, sojourner, stranger.
H1481 גּוּר gûr goor A primitive root; properly to turn aside from the road (for a lodging or any other purpose), that is, sojourn (as a guest); also to shrink, fear (as in a strange place); also to gather for hostility (as afraid): - abide, assemble, be afraid, dwell, fear, gather (together), inhabitant, remain, sojourn, stand in awe, (be) stranger, X surely.The p'shat here is that any male participating in the Pesach Seder must be circumcised. Many believe the word "circumcised" to be a euphemism for observant. This coupled with vvs. 47-48 would mean only the fully observant may participate in the Passover Seder. Some go so far as to say that only those born Jewish may participate, however vvs. 48 & 49 would seem to indicate that gerim who join themselves to Israel and trust in and follow the of YHVH not only may but should (as in "are commanded to") partake.
Those who are not fully observant may not partake in a Pesach Seder. However I'd say they should still observe the day, just not the Seder.
Dan C
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Post by Elizabeth on Mar 17, 2015 10:39:31 GMT -8
I have always assumed that even if the home was Jewish, had they not put the blood on the door, they would have suffered the same fate.
I think this question goes back to another question, which is why did they have to give an offering to G-d in the first place?
I don't understand the logic in sacrifices. I know there is a purpose and He is teaching us something, but I struggle with understanding. I keep coming back to it having something to do with recognizing life is from him and to him. I don't know, but I think this question gets into a complicated subject that I have a hard time grappling with.
Anyway I think every household, Jewish or Egyptian, was required to give an offering to G-d. I think the issue was the tension between G-d being Israel's protection, but Him being who they needed protection from. I agree with Alon that a lot was said in their trust. Though Egyptian households lost the most, it was Israel who gave the most. They gave their wellbeing to Him as they trusted and obeyed Him. Therefore, they could experience His mercy.
I think the blood simply reminded Him of the sacrifice and obedience they had willing given to Him. However, they did have to satisfy His wrath.
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thing is that many more in the "Church" do this with full knowledge of the roots, and background of what they are doing. 
observant Messianic Synagouge, or Fellowship whom celebrates Pesach (Passover). On the Jewish calendar Pesach starts on the evening of the 14th of Nisan. There are also several free online seders (order of the Pesach service) that are available to you. The following is a link to a free Messianic Haggadah/seder from "Heart Of Israel.com" :
