Headcovering for woman?

[R' Y'hoshua Moshe]

614th Mitzvot, Please correct me if I am wrong.

Shalom Messimom,

I don't think that 614 is specifically speaking of scripture, but more so refers to some sects of Rabbinic halachah (chasidic) which many Orthodox Jewish people view as binding and a mitzvah as they view rabbinic halachah on almost the same level of . So, when he speaks of "mitzvah", I don't believe he is speaking of (found in the first five books). I think the crux of his statements can be found in the following statement;

It is a mitzvah, but one that is likened to being a chasid. A married woman who covers her hair when in public is considered very chasidishe (pious).

Also, in regards to Blake's comment about wearing kippah, the following is another thread also dealing with the subject:

theloveofgod.proboards3.com/index.cgi?board=roots&action=display&n=1&thread=204

Shalom chaverim,

Reuel

[Talmidah]

Messiahmom,

in Lev. it states in the test of a woman when her husband is jeleous or suspects her of adultry he should bring her to the priest. The priest would uncover her hair, and let down her hair(ie mess it up). then she would have to drink bitter waters. if she was innocent, her stomach would swell and she would have a baby. If she was guilty her stomach would swell and busrt and she would die, judged by G_D.

From this the rabbi's said that it was common practice for the married women to keep their hair covered, because if it wasn't covered why would the priest be told to uncover it; and so they ruled that for modesty and piousness a married women's hair should be covered in public, and during religious services, (such as praying, yom tov's, services, etc.)

So it is in the at least hinted that it is right for a married woman to cover her hair.

[messimom]

A reasonable argument. But how about the woman would have her head covered because she had to go to the tabernacle to see a priest and it would not be fitting to enter that area without your head covered if you are a woman? I think many orthodox catholic cathedrals still have this head covering "requirement". I'm not sure the reference you listed refers to a continual covering of the head; however I'm also not dead set against the idea of women needing their heads covered at "all" times, just haven't been convinced of it yet.

Shalom

Messimom

[Talmidah]

Messimom,

Understand what I am saying next is TOTALLY my opinion . You may or may not agree, and that is fine because this is the conclusion I have come to with my husband through both of us studying.

We feel that I should be wearing a head covering when I pray, am in services, teaching my children , on yom tov's, teaching /counseling other women and children.

How do you know when you will feel lead to pray about something though-out the day, such as passing a car accident, finding something you need on sale, but didn't think you could afford, or just thanks for a beautiful fall day! How do you know when a friend or acquittance will call to ask for prayer or scriptural advice? You don't; so I wear a head covering most of the day.

Like I said this is what we have felt led to do. What you feel may be entirely different, but this is why we have chosen to do this.

[Vaneide]

Shalom, everyone

I am not sure if I have to wear a head-covering 24 hours a day. Also I have heard lots of different opinion about it , some people says the 1 cor 11, was for that specific church, because of the problems that they were having with some women. Others says is for today and the use of head coverings is just to pray and when a woman is prophesying. Others says that every women who obey and are married have to wear a head covering because of the submission to their husband. Others says every women married or not, have to use a head covering because their hair can be very sensual and provocative to men.

However, I wear a head covering to read my bible and pray, because I feel to do it.

Vaneide.

[Prodigal Girl]

OK I was told yesterday the following reason women wear headcoverings. It is dependent on the verses in the book of Deuteronomy that refer to "unclean things". One of the Hebrew words translated "unclean things" (pronounced something like "herah; accent on second syllable) is supposedly the same word as a woman's hair; in particular, her hair "down there". But it is considered to be ALL her hair. So when it talks about G-d should not see unclean things when he walks through the camp, it is using that word. This was told to me yesterday by a person raised .

[Nachshon]

PG, I disagree with that. I hinge my belief on headcoverings on a phrase in the test of the adulterous woman. It states that the Priest is to "unwrap her head."

[Prodigal Girl]

Yes, I am familiar with that interpretation. Modesty is something that I see the church struggle with; a lot of variations. I do know that if you try to discuss it or teach modesty you are often charged with legalism. That goes for almost any of the "laws" whether written or oral. you can't start a decent discussion without immediately confronting charges of legalism. it gets tiresome after awhile.
It is intriguing to me that there is more about head covering in the "New Testament" than in the Tanach. Amazing how much of the "New Testament" is discounted or ignored so easily. There are many, many scriptures that I NEVER hear taught on in the church. Because it they were read and discussed, it would make people ask too many questions, I think.

[Mark]

Jew and gentile alike have become very comfortable in stretching context to fit their own agenda. The reference your friend is speaking of is Deuteronomy 23:12-14. I think you can judge for yourself the scope of what is the subject matter of the phrase and whether or not it has anything to do with a woman's headcovering.

[Mark]

There is a very "in depth" article (meaning tediously long) article that discusses the Jewish woman's head-covering at

findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0411/is_n4_v42/ai_14873627/pg_1

[Prodigal Girl]

Thank you, great article. I am reading it now.

[Ruchamah]

Hi all,

I thought i would dive in here, and share some thoughts.

The Corinthians passage opens with a discussion of headship:
1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.


When Paul makes reference to the angels, I think it is with this headship in mind. A woman who wears a covering is testifying to her husband, to her community,
to the Almighty and to the angels that she understand that she is NOT the head, therefore she covers her own head and its glory.

The angels are specifically touched by this, as there was a point in time when the issue of *who is the Head?* was challenged: a third of their number fell in that great rebellion.

Seeing a woman who understands this Divine order is a continual reminder that this order is embraced by those who love, follow and obey the Messiah.

My 2 cents...
Ruchamah

[Mark]

Continued discussion on 1st Corinthians 11 can be found here:

theloveofgod.proboards3.com/index.cgi?board=paul&action=display&n=1&thread=182

[rlrmcb]

At one time I used to belong in an organization, that taught that women should not even cut their hair, at all. I have however left that organization nearly 22 years ago, and have since stayed with other pentecostal or charismatic churches.

I have questions concerning how one should apply those few verses in 1 Corinthians, since that is the only reference to hair that I remember seeing. Although I am not perfect at it by any means, I do seek to balance the Scriptures against the other Scriptures, and have questioned as to whether that was directed at Corinth specifically because of their culture at the time, or because of some of the troublesome behavior mentioned elsewhere in the letters to Corinth.

[Mark]

Hi rlrmcb,

There is a lot of overlap of discussion about various texts. Have you read the 1st Corinthians 11 thread that is linked above? Your questions may be addressed there.

Mark