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Post by KMML on Jan 10, 2006 15:43:49 GMT -8
Headcovering for a woman, is it a mitzvah?
What are some thoughts on this?
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cindi
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Post by cindi on Jan 10, 2006 18:13:16 GMT -8
i was wondering, is it ok for a single woman to cover her head.
cindi
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Jan 12, 2006 12:38:20 GMT -8
My personal view is that it is not a  mitzvah for a woman to wear a covering all the time. But, there are instructions found in the Brit Chadashah (New Cov.) writings for a woman to cover her head when praying. And, yes I think it is good for even a single woman to cover her head when praying. Shalom achiot, Reuel |
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Post by KMML on Jan 14, 2006 11:27:26 GMT -8
My personal view is that it is not a mitzvah for a woman to wear a covering all the time. But, there are instructions found in the Brit Chadashah (New Cov.) writings for a woman to cover her head when praying. And, yes I think it is good for even a single woman to cover her head when praying. Shalom achiot, Reuel Can you share the N.T Scriptures on this? |
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Jan 14, 2006 11:45:05 GMT -8
Shalom sister,
"1Co 11:3 But I would have you know that the head of every man is Messiah, and the head of the woman is the man, and the head of Messiah is G'd.
1Co 11:4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonors his head.
1Co 11:5 But every woman praying or prophesying with her head unveiled dishonors her head. For it is one and the same thing as if she were shaved.
1Co 11:6 For if a woman is not covered, let her also be shorn. But if it is shameful for a woman to be shorn or shaved, let her be covered.
1Co 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to have his head covered, because he is the image and glory of G'd, but the woman is the glory of the man.
1Co 11:8 For man is not from woman, but woman from man;
1Co 11:9 for neither was man created for the woman, but woman for the man.
1Co 11:10 For this cause the woman ought to have authority on her head, because of the angels.
1Co 11:11 Nevertheless, neither is the woman independent of the man, nor the man independent of the woman, in Adonai.
1Co 11:12 For as woman came from man, so a man also comes through a woman; but all things are from G'd.
1Co 11:13 Judge for yourselves. Is it appropriate that a woman pray to G'd unveiled?"
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Post by messimom on Jan 14, 2006 22:57:57 GMT -8
1) 1Co 11:10 For this cause the woman ought to have authority on her head, because of the angels.
1Co 11:11 Nevertheless, neither is the woman independent of the man, nor the man independent of the woman, in Adonai.
Can anyone explain these verses? The angels being thrown in really confuses me in these verses, it seems so out of context of the subject being discussed. Thank you
2) I have read before that a woman covering or veiling her head actually means to pull her hair down to cover her face while praying, rather than a swatch of some material on top of her head? Has anyone else heard of this, and thoughts?
Thank you and Shavua Tov!
Messimom
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Jan 17, 2006 13:59:10 GMT -8
I have heard this before, but If we read the passage in context, the hair of a woman is also mentioned along with the separate veil...therefore, it seems logical that if the passage says that if a woman prays with her head ucovered that it is like having her head shaved...and if she already has hair...it must be speaking of something other than her hair in regards to the veiling. I know of no known recorded practice (old or new) involving woman veiling their hair over their face when praying to fulfill what is spoken of in the passage in question.
I know that probably sounds confusing, but does that makes sense?
Shalom,
Reuel
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Post by messimom on Jan 18, 2006 14:56:52 GMT -8
Thanks Reuel, you're right, that makes perfect sense. I overlooked the veil part within the verses.
Shalom
Messimom
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Post by Blake on Jan 21, 2006 9:23:37 GMT -8
1) 1Co 11:10 For this cause the woman ought to have authority on her head, because of the angels. 1Co 11:11 Nevertheless, neither is the woman independent of the man, nor the man independent of the woman, in Adonai. In the books of Enoch which Ya'akov quotes and Paul was probaly familiar with angels were tempted to come down and lay with women. So, to cover ones head to Paul was to avoid tempting angels. Its also interesting to see that Paul thought the wearing of men wearing kippah during prayer was shameful... |
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Post by Chizuk Emunah on Jan 21, 2006 11:55:11 GMT -8
Before this thread develops into something else, I believe that it would be best to open a thread to discuss this issue. Blake, would be good enough to go ahead and open that thread?
Shabbat Shalom,
Natanel
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Post by Blake on Jan 21, 2006 12:25:54 GMT -8
Before this thread develops into something else, I believe that it would be best to open a thread to discuss this issue. Blake, would be good enough to go ahead and open that thread? Shabbat Shalom, Natanel If you are interested in discussing it as well then that would be great. |
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Post by Rick on Jan 21, 2006 17:37:53 GMT -8
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Post by Chizuk Emunah on Jan 21, 2006 19:02:19 GMT -8
Thanks Rick!
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Post by The 614th Mitzvot on Feb 8, 2006 13:12:11 GMT -8
Don't forget the idea of a head covering is to take men's eyes from a woman because her hair is her crown. A married woman should only let her husband enjoy her "crown", however, an unmarried woman does not need to if she is indeed lokking for suitors. However, any woman at any time may cover her head. It is a mitzvah, but one that is likened to being a chasid. A married woman who covers her hair when in public is considered very chasidishe (pious).
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Post by messimom on Feb 9, 2006 10:18:02 GMT -8
Where does say that a woman's hair is her crown? The only references as to how a woman should wear her hair is during prayer, and in the NT like in this example-- 1 Timothy 2: 8: I desire then that in every place the men should pray, lifting holy hands without anger or quarreling; 9: also that women should adorn themselves modestly and sensibly in seemly apparel, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly attire 10: but by good deeds, as befits women who profess religion. Those are the only major references to hair throughout the Bible. I respectfully disagree with you Mitzvot. Messimom |
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mitzvah for a woman to wear a covering all the time. But, there are instructions found in the Brit Chadashah (New Cov.) writings for a woman to cover her head when praying. And, yes I think it is good for even a single woman to cover her head when praying.
