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Post by Kallah on Jul 25, 2004 9:55:24 GMT -8
B"H Chaver, Yoahshoah:  Enjoy kashrut! B'Teavon! What is important is what HSHEM knows. That is  . Yeshua did say... "It is not the thing entering the mouth that makes a man tameh(unclean), but the thing going out of the mouth, this makes the man tameh."{sefer Mattityyahu 15:11} shalom Yeshua, Kallah |
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Jul 25, 2004 10:00:18 GMT -8
Here in Spokane, Wa, we do not have a wide variety of kosher items available to us in the stores. There are a few things here, and there....but, not much. My brethren, and I have been talking about setting up a kosher deli where people whom observe Kashrut can come, and buy their kosher products from us. The nearest place to us that has such a store would be in Seattle. I suppose I could order all of my food through the mail...but, that is extremely impractical. Furthermore, I don't necessarily believe that the food that I am buying here in the grocery stores is unkosher according to Leviticus 11. Although...if I had a practical source of certified kosher food...I would buy from that source.  In fact, one of my brothers is buying a whole cow, and is having it kosher slaughtered. He has a big freezer, and we will be buying our beef from him. Please pray for more of a kosher (certified) selection here in Spokane, Wa. Shalom chaverim, Reuel |
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Post by The 614th Mitzvot on Jul 25, 2004 10:27:34 GMT -8
I always pray for the protection of the righteous. I believe that way I pray for you. We should all pray that the day never comes when  is spoken against in this nation. P.S. Kallah, I was asking what is AS kosher as OU and Star K, not why should we keep kosher. |
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Jul 25, 2004 10:53:35 GMT -8
Todah v'amein,
Reuel
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Post by Kallah on Jul 25, 2004 11:00:48 GMT -8
I heard that OU and Star K were more trustworthy than any of the other ones and that they are the most osher, but I honestly don't know. Currently I only buy OU or Star K. Chaver Yoahshoah... above is your prior post. Please clarify your "PS". Thank you. Forgive me...I am sort of at a lost (missed something)   Todah, shalom Yeshua, Kallah |
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Post by The 614th Mitzvot on Jul 25, 2004 11:11:11 GMT -8
I meant are there any companies that make sure things are as kosher as the Star K and OU. Because I know some company's standards are not as high and are kosher for perhaps conservative, but not orthodox.
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Post by Kallah on Jul 25, 2004 12:54:11 GMT -8
B"H Achi Yoahshaoh: Todah! Thank you for clarifying. Actually, to avoid the risk of liability for false advertising by (specially reknown) food manufacturers; it is safe to consider the reliability of (popular) name brand foods carrying Kosher certification symbol(or 'hechsher'). When an organization or individual puts a hechsher on a product they are attesting to the fact that the contents and manufacturing meet standards of kashrut. The most respected food suppliers have become aware of the consumer needs, not just of Jewish consumers; but, Muslims, Seventh Day Adventists, vegetarians, and naturalists. I imagine getting the certification is costly, but, manufacturerers main focus is attracting as many consumers as possible. I'm no maven(expert) on Kosher labeling. However, I think I'm enough of wise shopper, and so far I haven't had any problems with food items I've purchased bearing the most commonly used hechshers. Now, Yoahshoah, there are a few (very few) hechshers that may be questionable(not considered reliable). Usually seeing a plain Letter “K”: a “K” appearing on a label not necessarily meaning that the product is kosher. It may signify kashrut certification, or it may have been put there by the manufacturer as his own claim that the product is kosher. Best thing to do, is either not buy it, or find out who or what is behind the “K” on a product. Write to or call the manufacturer. Keep up with the newsletters published by the major certifying agencies listing the products under their supervision. That is the wisest thing to do. Also, understanding the hechsher symbol codes as found on the following link, is also helpful: kosher.org/ko_sym.htmBy the way I thought I'd share a bit of Kashrut history trivia, that I believe you'd appreciate.... In the year 1654, the story of kosher food in America began when twenty-three Sephardic Jews arrived in New Amsterdam. Following the expulsion from Spain in 1492, (known as the Spanish Inquisition), Sephardic Jews fled to Greece, the Middle East, England, the Netherlands, and finally the Americas. This particular New Amsterdam band first sought haven from the Spanish Inquisition in Recife, Brazil but eventually ended up in New Amsterdam. In 1720 Mill House is the earliest known standing Jewish residence in the United States. Luis Moses Gomez, the first of a distinguished Sephardic family to emigrate from Spain to America built the house, part of a trading station. The adjacent area became known as Jew's Creek. Mr. Gomez, known in Ulster County as "Gomez the Jew." In 1739 New York Jews relied almost exclusively on Congregation Shearith Israel, the Spanish and Portuguese Synagogue founded in 1654 for kosher meat. I am sure you can acquire more info on this subject on a web search. B"H shalom Yeshua, Kallah |
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Post by The 614th Mitzvot on Jul 26, 2004 9:14:36 GMT -8
I have heard of this Gomez the Jew many times as being the first kosher jew in the U.S. I also know about the simple letter "K". I know because JELLO uses it and thier products are not kosher at all because they use pigs hooves to make most gelatins. Many Goyim think that all jews are Ashkenazi (German to Russian), and expect all to be the same, but the fact is that most of the practicing Jews in the U.S. are Sephardi (Spanish to Middle Eastern) and we were also the first Jews in the U.S.
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Jul 26, 2004 11:39:46 GMT -8
mmmmm...flavored pig hooves  Who in their right mind would knowingly eat ground up pig hooves? ;D There are a lot of food products out there that use pork based gelitan. We have to watch out for jello's, yogarts, dips, candies, and many other items. There are all kind of foods that most people don't realize have pork in them such as refried beans. Although, non-fat refried beans to not have the pig fat. Just a head's up for those of you whom are beginning to eat kosher. Shalom, Reuel |
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Post by steve_613++ on Sept 7, 2004 5:22:33 GMT -8
Regarding meat and dairy: forbids boiling a kid in its mother's milk; that's all. There is absolutely no danger of me doing this in my present cultural environment anyway, and therefore it is unnecessary for the Rabbis to put a "fence" around this mitzvah for me. I cannot think of a situation in which I could accidentally eat kid meat boiled in its mother's milk. This surely was a local pagan practice from which G-d wanted urgently to separate Israel. In Genesis/Beresheet it is written: === 6"So Abraham hurried into the tent to Sarah and said, `Quickly, make ready three measures of fine meal; knead it and make cakes.' 7 And Abraham ran to the herd, took a tender and good calf, gave it to the young man, and he hastened to prepare it. 8 So he took butter and milk and the calf which he had prepared, and he set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree as they ate." Genesis/Beresheet 18:6-8 [NKJV] === I believe was *re-instituted* via Moshe at Sinai with a set-apart priesthood beginning only then. The patriarchs somehow understood , possibly by direct revelation from G-d in a time when every man was his own priest. Otherwise, how did Cain and Abel know to sacrifice? Who taught them? Who taught Abraham to tithe to Melchizedek? How did Noah know the difference between clean and unclean animals. Far more clean animals were taken into the ark --- I believe they were for sacrificial purposes and food. So Abraham was aware of G-d's regarding clean animals for human food. In other words, he followed true, G-d-given principles of kashrut. And yet he mixed meat and dairy. And to whom did he serve this mixture? Chapter 18 verse 1 clearly tells us, as it is written: === "Then the LORD appeared to him by the terebinth trees of Mamre, as he was sitting in the tent door in the heat of the day." === I do not not wish to denigrate the teaching of the Rabbis in any way, but this teaching on meat/dairy seems to be in contradiction of . I would be happy to learn from anyone with a deeper understanding of this issue. I came to this site out of a desire to learn. What are the groups views? Shalom, Steve. |
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Sept 7, 2004 8:41:29 GMT -8
Shalom Steve, Welcome to HaAhava Elohim discussion forums! I think you make some valid points. I am not sure of the exact Talmudic refrence, but I believe the rabbis claim that there was a certain amount of time in which the milk, and meat was consumed in regards to the passage above. But, I don't believe that this was the case. I believe both food items were consumed together as the text implies. This passage that you have supplied is a great proof text in regards to this discussion. Although, if someone wishes to seperate meat, and milk...I respect that if it stems from wanting to keep our Heavenly Father's precious . Although, if doing this overides another commandment, then we have a problem. Any other thoughts? B'shem Yeshua HaMashiach, Reuel |
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Post by azumah on Sept 7, 2004 13:47:30 GMT -8
In regards to the 3 verses where it says we are not to seethe a kid in its mothers milk (Exod 23:19, 34:26, and Deut 14:21), I would like to encourage everyone not only the whole verse very carefully but also the surrounding verses. In all three instances it is associated with harvesting the crop (on two instances it refers specifically to the firstfruits). I don't know if this is what HE is referring to or not, but my wife says a surefire way to get a big, attractive vegetable from the garden is to feed it milk. The only problem is that when you do that, there is virtually nothing on the inside of the vegetable. It is my guess that this is what the LORD is referring to here. HE doesn't want offerings that have been manipulated to look big and plush by being fed a mixture of a kid seethed in its mothers milk, because there is no substance to them.
Just a thought.
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Post by steve_613++ on Sept 9, 2004 3:58:21 GMT -8
Shalom to you all, I would like to know anyone's thoughts on the following verses, which are often used by our -less brothers and sisters in Messiah, to bash Messianics with, for it is written: ======================================= 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; 5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. 1 Timothy 4:4-5 [NKJV] ======================================== I try to eat only biblically clean animals, which G-d calls "food." I reject the concept of so-called "unclean food." Unclean animals, yes. But unclean food? If G-d calls the animal unclean then it is not food in the first place, and you are therefore eating an unclean animal, *not* unclean food. On the sixth day of creation G-d made the living creatures---including the cattle, and Man. At the end of the day He "saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good." (Gen./Beresheet 1:31). So, I have no problem with the first part of verse 4. Please share any insights. I'm here to learn, not to teach. Shalom Steve. |
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Sept 9, 2004 11:29:27 GMT -8
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Post by The 614th Mitzvot on Sept 12, 2004 11:04:20 GMT -8
I believe that some foods are clean while others are not. If it was good for you, I think G-d would allow it to be eaten. Did you know that pigs are inbreading cannibals? That is disgusting and fataly unhealthy. On the subject of dairy and meat: I do not mix at all. I not only find it repulsive, but I feel that it does provide a fence around . How do we know that the cheese for your burger was not from the burger's mother? I follow the Rabbis, but I also understand your points. I figure it is an easy law to practice. "Do you want cheese on your hamburger? - No" Simple. |
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is spoken against in this nation.
Who in their right mind would knowingly eat ground up pig hooves? ;D There are a lot of food products out there that use pork based gelitan. We have to watch out for jello's, yogarts, dips, candies, and many other items. There are all kind of foods that most people don't realize have pork in them such as refried beans. Although, non-fat refried beans to not have the pig fat. Just a head's up for those of you whom are beginning to eat kosher. 
