Can a woman be a rabbi

[Yitzchak]

Fact is that we have Esther, Ruth and Deborah in the Bible. Deborah has authority over men as well as women.

Fact is that Esther was in submission to Mordechai, Ruth was in submission to her husband until his death, and Devorah was covered in a previous post, and I refer you to check the posting regarding Isaiah.

The issue is not as clear cut as you make it seem to be.

The issue is a non-issue as far as I see it. Women, men, children are all God's children and as and when HE wants to, he can use any of His creation to have authority over his other children.

To think otherwise is human folly. Nothing more, nothing less. God has shown us many things through His teachings and His ways. To know of Deborah and yet deny that women can have and are allowed to have authority over men and women is beyond my understanding

What seems to be beyond your understanding is . Since you obviously have not read the prior posts, I will include this information for you.

Deborah leading and having authority was an indictment of the male leadership at the time, and not a support of women leaders. It was used as an example in the Tenakh to show the error of the prescribed leadership that HaShem desires. Please see Yeshyahu 3:12.

Using the example of Deborah is a poor one, for in now way does HaShem make this the norm. We cannot use exceptions to disprove the leadership roles that HaShem prescribed all throughout . Unless of course you do not see as valid.

Can you give us any examples of Yeshua appointing female leaders?

Were there any female priests in Israel?

Were any of the prophetic books of Tenakh penned by women?

Were the first born of women given the sign of the covenant?

I could go on, and on, but it seems you have your own way of looking at things.

The true folly is interpreting with a Hellenistic mindset, and not a Hebraic one.

Shalom,

Yitzchak

[R' Y'hoshua Moshe]

It appears as Messimom said this controversy will continue till Messiah comes...

Gen 3:16 Unto the woman He said: 'I will greatly multiply thy pain and thy travail; in pain thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.'

Now it seems to me, part of this curse is not much of a curse on its face value, for how is it a curse for a women to desire her husband? (I would think most men would greatly appreciate this) However, if it's meant that as "women" we will desire the position of our husbands, and he will rule over us, well that makes it a little different. Meaning it will be our nature from now on to want to rule over husband(s) and men.

If this interpretation is true, we as women would want to be the leaders not only of teaching , but of everything!!! You can definitely see that in our society today with the women's movement, the "Hillary" complex etc.... and even in the "Christian" church where it appears women run almost everything....

As Scripture states, maybe if we go back to doing what we know we are suppose to do, with teaching younger women, etc...we will start receiving the rich blessing that Messiah wants to bestow on us for being obedient. Just a thought.....
shalom, elishava

Shalom Elishava,

You have understood what very few woman need to understand to be obedient to their first and proper calling. I also concur with everything that Yitzchak has communicated. There is overwhelming and sufficient evidence throughout this whole thread to support what He, I, and several others have been trying to communicate. But, if one chooses to believe otherwise, I also believe that the best arguments presenting the other side of the issue have also been communicated in this thread. I believe that all the thoughts that have been communicated are starting to be communicated over and over again, and thus we are moving in circles. I believe that we have come to in impasse and unless anyone has something truly new to share regarding this issue (please send me a PM if you do), this thread will be closed to further posts. I know that many will claim by locking the thread that we are simply trying to silence our opponents on this issue. But again, if there is something truly new to share, we will reopen the thread. But, make sure that if you believe that you have something truly new to share...read the entire thread first.

Shalom aleychem chaverim,

Reuel