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Post by Mark on Feb 9, 2007 22:39:45 GMT -8
Yeah, I know you! You're just tryingto get us to buy that place next door!  |
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Post by Yochana on Feb 10, 2007 8:03:54 GMT -8
Yeah, I know you! You're just tryingto get us to buy that place next door! LOL - well then you could walk to shul... |
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Post by Mark on Feb 10, 2007 9:24:43 GMT -8
...then I could maybe make it on time!
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Post by Yochana on Feb 10, 2007 13:57:07 GMT -8
...and if you were walking you wouldn't have to count on divine intervention to get your van started. |
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Post by Nachshon on Feb 10, 2007 18:16:57 GMT -8
...and if you were walking you wouldn't have to count on divine intervention to get your van started. lol. Ooooh, burn!  |
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Post by Yochana on Feb 11, 2007 15:06:21 GMT -8
Oh it wasn't meant as a burn (that would be kindling a fire  ) - his van does not readily start. About the only time it does run is on Shabbat. |
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Post by Yitzchak on Feb 11, 2007 19:37:43 GMT -8
Oh it wasn't meant as a burn (that would be kindling a fire ) - his van does not readily start. About the only time it does run is on Shabbat. Must be a "Divine Spark." Shalom, Yitzchak |
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Post by Chizuk Emunah on Feb 12, 2007 5:58:43 GMT -8
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Post by Yochana on Feb 13, 2007 14:54:05 GMT -8
Oy!! The house next door just went on the market offically - it would take divine intervention for anyone to afford what they are asking for it! If they get anywhere near their asking price, I'm putting ours on the market, cause it should be worth about double!
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Post by Mpossoff on Feb 14, 2007 9:20:37 GMT -8
Hi Mark as I'm doing study I'm not sure if the oral translations or beneficial or not. They may be helpful but for me I don't think I would 100% rely on them. I got to: Colossians 2:16-1816 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not[d] seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,I believe the Colossians were being judged on how they observed  . It was man made ordinances. I assume that the ordinaces were the oral laws/tradtions that man made. One of the best examples is when they thought Yeshua broke the Sabbath. Was it their oral tradtion/ordinance that said He broke the Sabbath or was it the written Word? I believe that G-d 's Word comes first and what's most important is the command. Now is it man's oral ordinance that says you can't drive a car or is it G-d's Word that says you can't drive a car.
Colossians 2:20 Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— 21 “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” 22 which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men? Interesting as it seems one must be careful to not take oral ordinaces, tradtions to seriously. Is Halakah rabbinic law? If so then I don't think one can rely on it as it is man made. Marc I suppose I'm sort of riding the fence on this one. First, I drive a 15 passenger van on Shabbat. In fact, that's usually the only time in the week that it leaves the driveway. Yet, if one's convictions are such so as to not drive as an act of worship for Adonai, I would be loathe to take that from them. At the same time, to not fellowship with other believers as is commanded because they don't want to drive is a concern to me. |
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Post by Nachshon on Feb 14, 2007 10:06:57 GMT -8
halachah is really just an interpretation or "walking out" of the . It is not necessarily something that is added to , just how we interpret its commands. I tend to think that starting a car would be kindling a fire. You can say that it is explosions, yes...but explosions are very brief fires. It's not a matter of adding to or not adding to the written . It's a matter of how, exactly, we interpret the same written command. |
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Post by Chizuk Emunah on Feb 14, 2007 12:11:45 GMT -8
halachah is really just an interpretation or "walking out" of the . It is not necessarily something that is added to , just how we interpret its commands. I tend to think that starting a car would be kindling a fire. You can say that it is explosions, yes...but explosions are very brief fires. It's not a matter of adding to or not adding to the written . It's a matter of how, exactly, we interpret the same written command. Very well put Nachshon! I couldn't have said it better. Hey... another thing we agree on....  |
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Post by Yitzchak on Feb 14, 2007 13:24:05 GMT -8
halachah is really just an interpretation or "walking out" of the . It is not necessarily something that is added to , just how we interpret its commands. I tend to think that starting a car would be kindling a fire. You can say that it is explosions, yes...but explosions are very brief fires. It's not a matter of adding to or not adding to the written . It's a matter of how, exactly, we interpret the same written command. Shalom Nachson, So, if halachah is an interpertation or "to walk" from holech, how do we determine the proper authority to follow. In other words, you say that you think that starting the car is kindling a fire, and yet you do not follow the Oral Tradition of traditional Judaism. So, are you making your own halachah on the subject. I ask, as for many within the Messianic Community, and even the leadership here has agonized over the subject of a Messianic halachah. The debate had always ended with the individual community determining the proper halachah. Shalom, Yitzchak |
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Post by Mpossoff on Feb 14, 2007 13:38:52 GMT -8
I'm not sure about oral interpretations. I understand it is so we are all in agreement. As an example maybe not related to kindling a fire.... Yeshua healed on the Sabbath yet was it the Pharisees or Sadducees who said he broke it? Was it their oral interpretation? By what authority did they accuse him of breaking the Sabbath? By what authority does one say that starting a car is kindling a fire? Where does on draw the line between biblical and oral? For me I would have never took it into consideration that starting a car kindled a fire. Never even crossed my mind. Yet there are people that say oral tradtion say it is so. Marc halachah is really just an interpretation or "walking out" of the . It is not necessarily something that is added to , just how we interpret its commands. I tend to think that starting a car would be kindling a fire. You can say that it is explosions, yes...but explosions are very brief fires. It's not a matter of adding to or not adding to the written . It's a matter of how, exactly, we interpret the same written command. Shalom Nachson, So, if halachah is an interpertation or "to walk" from holech, how do we determine the proper authority to follow. In other words, you say that you think that starting the car is kindling a fire, and yet you do not follow the Oral Tradition of traditional Judaism. So, are you making your own halachah on the subject. I ask, as for many within the Messianic Community, and even the leadership here has agonized over the subject of a Messianic halachah. The debate had always ended with the individual community determining the proper halachah. Shalom, Yitzchak |
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Post by Nachshon on Feb 14, 2007 16:57:55 GMT -8
halachah is really just an interpretation or "walking out" of the . It is not necessarily something that is added to , just how we interpret its commands. I tend to think that starting a car would be kindling a fire. You can say that it is explosions, yes...but explosions are very brief fires. It's not a matter of adding to or not adding to the written . It's a matter of how, exactly, we interpret the same written command. Shalom Nachson, So, if halachah is an interpertation or "to walk" from holech, how do we determine the proper authority to follow. In other words, you say that you think that starting the car is kindling a fire, and yet you do not follow the Oral Tradition of traditional Judaism. So, are you making your own halachah on the subject. I ask, as for many within the Messianic Community, and even the leadership here has agonized over the subject of a Messianic halachah. The debate had always ended with the individual community determining the proper halachah. Shalom, Yitzchak I believe that the only authority for halacha is Mashiyakh. But really, most of the is not as complicated as rabbanites make it seem. It says don't kindle a fire. Starting a car kindles a fire. I don't see why we need a halachic authority to tell us that. Other than Yeshua's halacha, I think that all halacha should be given with the same disclaimer that Miqsat Ma'aseh HaTowrah was given. You will rejoice when you find that some of these are true. Wouldn't holech come from halach, since halach is the qal and holech is the hoph'al? (at least I think it's Hoph'al...my Hebrew is improving, not good. ) |
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. It was man made ordinances. I assume that the ordinaces were the oral laws/tradtions that man made.
