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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Jul 18, 2004 12:34:39 GMT -8
What about the Techelet?  Most tzitzitiyot that are already tied when ordered from most Judaica suppliers do not come with the proper techelet (they usually come all white) which is not according to the commandment found in Numbers 15:38. Should we be satisfied with fulfilling just part of the commandment? Shalom chaver, Reuel |
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Post by The 614th Mitzvot on Jul 18, 2004 13:33:34 GMT -8
I have simply painted one blue just for that purpose using textile paint. It wasn't hard, you just untie, paint and retie.
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Jul 18, 2004 13:41:33 GMT -8
I actually have done a similar thing, but I used blue food die instead (wich worked quite well).  Shalom achi, Reuel |
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Post by steve_613++ on Sept 7, 2004 3:34:00 GMT -8
Shalom to you all.
I'm a new member and would love some advice about tzitziyot. I bought a tallit katan in Yerushalayim and removed (by carefully untying) the tzitziyot. I bought a pack of strings with the blue (techelet) included and re-tied the tzitziyot myself. I feel strogly led to wear the tallit katan with techelet daily.
I have loads of questions but may I begin with everyone's views on the blue thread (techelet), which I feel is the whole point of this mitzvah in the first place.
Thanks.
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Sept 7, 2004 9:23:41 GMT -8
Shalom Steve, I also wear my tallit katan daily, and most always have the tzitziyot visible. To state it simply, I believe the blue techelet reflects the the majesty of our Heavenly Father's rule in our lives. And, we are reminded of this each time we look upon it as specified by the commandment. In Judaism, the techelet is compared to the color of the sea, to the sky, to sapphire and to the Holy Throne of the majesty in which G'd sits. From what I understand, the white strands in the tzitzit are mostly traditional as the original clothing of the Israelites bore the tzitziyot on the outside of the garment. And, what we know as the white threads most likely took on the color of the actual garment that they covered themselves with. The use of the tallit katan was the product of persecution during a time when the Jewish people had to conceal their tzitziyot. The unrestricted observance of this commandment should result in tzitzyot affixed to the outer garment that we daily wear. For an example of such a garment (which really would only be somewhat normalitive to wear in Israel at this point) can be found at Beged Ivri found at: www.begedivri.comShalom, Reuel |
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Post by The 614th Mitzvot on Sept 12, 2004 10:51:17 GMT -8
The reason some wear it in white is because of the famine in 70 AD. This caused a lack in blue dye and so no one had dye to put on thier tzitzis. I don't mind wether one wears it or not, but what is important is that you do wear it. The blue should be worn, I think, because when the Sephardic Jews fled from Spain they began practicing. If they had not, it would be the same as this logic. "Because the mitzvot wasn't able to be performed we should no longer do it." - Makes no sense, so I wear it, but if you don't, I still love you and so does G-d.
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Post by IronWill on Mar 27, 2005 10:52:08 GMT -8
What is a tzitzit...and how do you pronounce that?
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Post by Chizuk Emunah on Mar 27, 2005 11:58:18 GMT -8
Tzizit (pronounced "zeet zeet") are tied to the four corners of a garment in observance of the commandment found in B'midbar (Numbers) 15:37-41. They can be found on Tallitot and Tallit Katanot.
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Post by Yitzchak on Mar 27, 2005 14:14:06 GMT -8
I get all of my garments from Beged Ivri in Jerusalem. Reuven is the proprietor, and is doing much to restore the things, which have been lost over the centuries. www.begedivri.comJust noticed after re-reading the posts that Reuel had already posted this website. He will tie them either Ashkenazi or Sephardi, and with or without Techelet. I wear mine with Techelet, and believe that they have uncovered the proper die to be used so that we can fulfill this commandment. Shalom, Yitzchak |
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Mar 29, 2005 18:08:08 GMT -8
Yes, I have met Reuven. He is a nice guy  Expensive clothing, but he is indeed doing much in regards to the restoration of a Hebraic  observant lifestyle. In regards to the dye, I am not so convinced that it -must- be one particular type of blue dye. But, when I ever I can get a hold of it I prefer to have my techelet (blue string) dyed with it. What a beautiful color! There is also another great place which is observant and believes in Yeshua the Messiah which I recommend supporting. Click on the following moving link to visit the 1800-4-YESHUA messianic Judaica website: |
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Post by Rick on Mar 30, 2005 19:24:53 GMT -8
Question: Is it offensive to our Jewish brethren if a Gentile messianic believer, (Sincerely trying to be observant), wears tzitzit, or kipah etc.? ;D |
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Mar 30, 2005 21:43:08 GMT -8
I think the answer to this question depends from one person to another (case by case basis). I think that many objections would stem from the fact that one has not formally converted to Judaism. Other objections may stem from the way one wears his tzitzityot. Many Gentile believers wear their tzitzityot on their belt-loops (on their pants) and many orthodox and ultra-orthodox Jews would object to this as they believe that they are to be worn on a four-cornered garment. I think most Jewish people would be curious rather than offended. Very few of them are even observant. But, I think that a Gentile keeping because of Messiah is a very strong witness to them and perhaps would make them a little bit jealous that you are doing what they should be doing. Also, read a testimony of mine by clicking on the following link: theloveofgod.proboards3.com/index.cgi?board=testimonials&action=display&n=1&thread=704In regards to kippah, most synagogues would insist that a gentile entering in would wear a kippah. Shalom brother, Reuel |
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Post by Rick on Mar 31, 2005 9:08:50 GMT -8
Thank you, the last thing I would want to do is offend or be a stumbling block. This has been a concern for me, ultimatly I should be obedient to G-d.
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Mar 31, 2005 10:20:16 GMT -8
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Post by Chizuk Emunah on Mar 31, 2005 13:29:10 GMT -8
This is why I think it would be beneficial if we could come together and establish ourselves as a legitimate sect of
Judaism.
At some point I would like to see us establish our own halacha, Rabbinim, siddurim, and mikvaot.
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from Sinai and transmitted it to Yoheshuah; Yoheshuah to the Shoftim; the Shoftim to the Nev'yim; and the Nev'yim transmitted it throughout Judea. It came BACK to Yohshuah HaMoshiach who retransmitted it to the rest of the world through Reb Sha'ul and Reb Cephas.
