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Post by messianicmama on Apr 9, 2013 15:49:33 GMT -8
Thanks for posting that. It's really a lot of what I have been contemplating. I don't believe we're required to understand the nature of Gd or Messiah, just to believe in them and commit ourselves to them. Thanks again.
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Post by alon on Apr 9, 2013 15:57:23 GMT -8
Thanks for posting that. It's really a lot of what I have been contemplating. I don't believe we're required to understand the nature of Gd or Messiah, just to believe in them and commit ourselves to them. Thanks again. Soooo, we're not too far apart in our beliefs here? Was I reading into your view something that isn't there in thinking you believe Yeshua is a created being? (Not that I'd ever be guilty of doing such a thing, you understand?) Just seeking clarity ... Dan C |
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Post by messianicmama on Apr 9, 2013 16:50:40 GMT -8
I have no idea what he is! I can understand the trinity, as well as unitarian thought. I found Magee a case for the Messiah being Gd or being created using scripture. Mostly, I don't know. And I want to be free to say I don't know. I believe he is the Messiah, he is divine and sent from the Father. The rest of it is a mystery. The more we attempt to definitively stare what Gd is, what Messiah is and how they connect, the less open we are to whatever the truth is. I don't think we can wrap or minds around e truth of the identity of the divine divine.
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Post by Yedidyah on Apr 9, 2013 16:59:21 GMT -8
I have no idea what he is! I can understand the trinity, as well as unitarian thought. I found Magee a case for the Messiah being Gd or being created using scripture. Mostly, I don't know. And I want to be free to say I don't know. I believe he is the Messiah, he is divine and sent from the Father. The rest of it is a mystery. The more we attempt to definitively stare what Gd is, what Messiah is and how they connect, the less open we are to whatever the truth is. I don't think we can wrap or minds around e truth of the identity of the divine divine. He is the Right hand of the Father, your hand does not do what your feet do they have a different purpose. Are your feet, hands, heart, brain ect...not part of the same body? I think Yeshua was the physical right hand of the Father, Adonai is Echad HE IS ONE. He reached out His right hand and with purpose redeemed us Baruch Hashem! Psalm 138:7 You keep me alive when surrounded by danger; you put out your hand when my enemies rage; with your RIGHT HAND you save me. Thank you Yeshua! Shalom, Yedidyah |
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Post by alon on Apr 9, 2013 18:17:29 GMT -8
... I think Yeshua was the physical right hand of the Father, Adonai is Echad HE IS ONE. He reached out His right hand and with purpose redeemed us Baruch Hashem! Psalm 138:7 You keep me alive when surrounded by danger; you put out your hand when my enemies rage; with your RIGHT HAND you save me. Thank you Yeshua! That is a good picture of HaMoshiach. Todah. Dan C |
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Post by alon on Apr 9, 2013 18:31:09 GMT -8
I have no idea what he is! I can understand the trinity, as well as unitarian thought. I found Magee a case for the Messiah being Gd or being created using scripture. Mostly, I don't know. And I want to be free to say I don't know. I agree you should say you don't know if you don't. I'd even say that no one can know everything. I have reached clarity on some issues concerning God, His nature and reality. But only what He has said, and even then there's them details ...  Uhhhhhmmm, I can't really agree, although I doubt you mean that as absolutely as it sounds. We do need to come to as much understanding as possible based on His Word. But we need to separate it from the dogma we've been taught. At any rate, thanks for the clarification. Dan C |
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Post by meaguyyeah on May 10, 2013 23:00:52 GMT -8
Colossians 1:14-17 14 It is through his Son that we have redemption - that is, our sins have been forgiven. 15 He is the visible image of the invisible God. He is supreme over all creation, 16 because in connection with him were created all things - in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, lordships, rulers or authorities - they have all been created through him and for him. 17 He existed before all things, and he holds everything together. -CJB.
Yeshua is God. For instance if Sh’mu’el (Samuel) says,
Sh’mu’el 12:12 12 When you saw that Nachash the king of the people of 'Amon was attacking you, you said to me, "No, we want a king to rule over us"- when ADONAI your God was your king. –CJB
Here we see God is king.
And Natan’el says to our Lord in John 1:49,
49 Natan'el said, "Rabbi, you are the Son of God! You are the King of Isra'el!" –CJB
Here any many other places Yeshua is also called king.
Luke 9:48 48 and said to them, "Whoever welcomes this child in my name welcomes me, and whoever welcomes me welcomes the One who sent me. In other words, the one who is least among you all -- this is the one who is great." –CJB
Yeshua lived faithfully in all that He did. There never once could be put any blame on His holy name. Yeshua made Himself a servant of all men. He made Himself less then everyone. A feat only God could do Himself. Yeshua reconfirms this when He hands His disciples Matzo and says, “This is My body.” Matzo has no leaven and thus has none of the puffiness that the Pharisees or humanity had (Matthew 16:11). He was a perfect piece of Matzo so to speak. Thus the one who became least also became the greatest. He is a king who is very worthy indeed.
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Post by acharithayamim on May 22, 2013 3:54:24 GMT -8
To me that's what Yeshua is, he's more than just another Rabbi in the jewish history. He answered I AM when he was asked from the High priest of that time if he was the promised messiah. Did the majority of the jewish people from that time knew what the atributes of the promised messiah were? |
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Post by acharithayamim on May 22, 2013 4:06:23 GMT -8
I agree that Yeshua is YAH in the flesh. Yesha'yahu (Isaiah) 9:6 "For a child is born to us, a son is given to us; dominion will rest on his shoulders, and he will be given the name Pele-Yo'etz El Gibbor Avi-'Ad Sar-Shalom [Wonder of a Counselor, Mighty God, Father of Eternity, Prince of Peace],"
This is a prophecy about the nature of the Messiah. How can a child be called "Mighty G-d" and "Father of Eternity" unless this child is YAH in the flesh. The great prophet Yesha'yahu was given divine insight through the Ruach HaKodesh about the divinity of the Mashiach, Yeshua Ha'Mashiach!!
Yeshua said, "Avraham, your father, was glad that he would see my day; then he saw it and was overjoyed." 57 "Why, you're not yet fifty years old," the Judeans replied, "and you have seen Avraham?" 58 Yeshua said to them, "Yes, indeed! Before Avraham came into being, I AM!" Yochanan (John) 8:56-57 (CJB)
Shalom!
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Post by acharithayamim on May 22, 2013 4:09:46 GMT -8
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Post by acharithayamim on May 22, 2013 4:15:35 GMT -8
I was inspired by the Ruach Hakodesh to make this video and many other videos to minister to those who do not know Yeshua Ha'Mashiach as the Mashiach prophesied in the Tanakh. This video is called, "YESHUA IS LIVING BREAD" youtu.be/7tTGev0efqU. I am greatly humbled how the Ruach HaKodesh uses me to show HIS glory and bring souls to YESHUA HAMASHIACH. Praise the Holy One of Isra'el. I pray that this video is posted as there is an anointing on this video from the true living G-d, the Ruach HaKodesh. Again, greatly humbled. I am just a lowly servant, eager to be used by HaShem! Shalom!! |
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Post by visionary on Aug 23, 2013 4:23:59 GMT -8
I think Yeshua is the only "begotten" Son.
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Post by johnd on Sept 15, 2013 14:26:02 GMT -8
Hebrews 1:1-2 (KJV)
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Colossians 1:13-16 (KJV)
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
John 1:1-3 (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was WITH God, and the Word WAS God.
2 The same was in the beginning WITH God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.[/color]
Isaiah 44:24 (KJV)
24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens ALONE; that spreadeth abroad the earth BY MYSELF;
Clearly he who is the Creator is Messiah. If that ain't God then Genesis 1:1 am wrong!!!
Further...
YHVH the Father is not the redeemer, Isaiah 52:13 - 53:12 states that the Father YHVH is the one to whom the redemption penalty is paid NOT the one paying the penalty.
And Isaiah 44:24 says YHVH is the redeemer / creator which John 1:3 Colossians 1:16 Hebrews 1:2 clearly show is the preincarnate Yeshua.
YHVH is the surname of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Matthew 28:19 (KJV)
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in THE name (singular) of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
That name: YHVH.
YHVH Shua = Jesus.
Further still...
Micah 5:2 (KJV)
2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
Dialogue between Father and Son preincarnate:
Hebrews 10:5 (KJV)
5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Yshua is the Angel of YHVH:
Genesis 22:8 (KJV)
8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.
Prophetic the Lord will provide HIMSELF a lamb for burnt offering. Abraham caught a ram.
John 1:29 (KJV)
29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
You may reason away in your own minds that Yeshua is not God incarnate but it's a fool's venture given so much scripture to contend with.
The things he said were of his Father or the Spirit were to fulfill his office of Messiah as our goel (kinsman redeemer).
Read closely John 5:19 ff where it begins sounding like he is powerless but ends up saying he can do the same as his Father does. What he "cannot do" is rather he "will not do" to remain in a position of humility. Restraint not inability.
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Post by johnd on Sept 15, 2013 21:23:19 GMT -8
1 John 1 (KJV)
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that ETERNAL life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)
How can he be an eternal being and not be God?
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Post by johnd on Sept 16, 2013 19:25:54 GMT -8
I think Yeshua is the only "begotten" Son. Indeed. He is the ONLY begotten of the Father. Meaning the Father made no one or no thing else. John 1:14 (KJV) 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. The Spirit of Yeshua is God the Word (John 1:1-2) who was with God the Father (1 John 1:2) in the beginning and with the Holy Spirit (Genesis 1:2). God the Word is the Creator of all things created in the beginning (John 1:1-3, Colossians 1:13-16, Hebrews 1:2, Isaiah 44:24). The Holy Spirit is not the Creator. The Father is not the Creator. The Son (preincarnate) is! The Father created the body of Jesus. Hebrews 10:5 (KJV) 5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: Hebrews 1:5 (KJV) 5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? John 1:14 (KJV) 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. Before he emptied himself (though never ceasing to be God note the Greek morphe theose huparchon in Philippians 2:6) to become a man... God the Word, God the Father, and God the Holy Spirit were three equal parts of the one whole (God). Luke 3:38 (KJV) 38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God... the Word or Yeshua preincarnate. The sons of God in Genesis 6 and Job 1 and Job 2 and Job 38 all sons of God the Word (Jesus). John 1:10 (KJV) 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. |
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