The HRV Bible

[R' Y'hoshua Moshe]

Shalom Nachshon,

Again, all credible scholars (both Jewish and non-Jewish) reject the “Shem Tov” as a valid source of the scriptures. For a Bible translator to use it even as a small source causes me to doubt the validity of a particular Bible translation. I believe it is an indication of poor judgement in translation for any translator that employs it.

In regards to the Complete Jewish Bible, I am still up for starting a thread to discuss parts that have left "a very bad taste" in your mouth. Again, I am not saying that it is perfect, only that most that make such complaints don't really have a whole lot of valid claims once they bring them to light.

I guess you could take that as a challenge. At the very least some good study will take place.

Shalom chaver,

Reuel

[Nachshon]

I'm very rarely persuaded by the mere opinion of the majority of scholars. The majority of scientists are evolutionists. That doesn't change my opinion. The majority of scholars are Greek primacists. I still say it has to be Hebrew or Aramaic. *shrug* I have reasons for being very interested in the Hebrew, and Shem Tov, for the very reason that it is a hostile witness makes me extremely interested in it. I don't know that it is more accurate.

I said nothing about his translation. I was actually referring to his parsing of the readings of the Mashian Writings. They seemed to be selected to push the agenda that the was no longer a part of the covenant.

I'm tired. It's 12:08 here. lol. Shabbat. Time to rest.

Shabbat shalom from Ha'aretz haqodesh,
Nachshon

[R' Y'hoshua Moshe]

Shalom Nachshon,

Note how I mentioned Jewish scholars as well...there are quite a few of them that are scholars in both areas of Hebrew and Aramaic

Shavua tov,

Reuel

[Nachshon]

Again, I really don't care what the authorities say. They've been wrong before. I want to see only evidence, not opinions. I have seen papers and articles written by Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic primacists, and all evidence points to a semitic language original, including the historical accounts.
You did not mention Jewish scholars in particular. You merely said that all scholars said so. All is a very loose term, as it is very rarely used literally. When we say all, we virtually never actually mean it.

Shalom,
David

[R' Y'hoshua Moshe]

Shalom achi,

Actually, if you check my previous posts carefully you will see that I did mention "Jewish" scholars as well. It is right there in purple writing. At any rate, you stated,

I have seen papers and articles written by Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic primacists, and all evidence points to a semitic language original, including the historical accounts.

Yes, I agree that the scriptures were originally in Hebrew and I am not debating that. But, just because we find a "Hebrew" document does not mean it is credible. This a trap that many fall into...The logic goes something like this, "If it is Hebrew, it must be superior...right?" Not quite. Even those whom promote the Shem Tov such as Nechemiah Gordan admit that it most likely was copied from Greek manuscripts and that it is not the most accurate document. Any credible scholar on the subject (including unbelieving Jews) has viewed this document to be influenced by Jewish anti-missionaries, specifically "Shem Tov" himself. I don't think all these scholars are working together in a conspiracy to debunk the Shem Tov. I guess we can just discredit those whom have put real study into this subject, but I wouldn't reccommend it.

Shalom,

Reuel

[Nachshon]

I am not saying that I think Shem Tov is superior necessarily. I only think it is a very valuable alternative reading. You have heard my stand on the Samaritan , so I won't repeat it here. But the logic is ridiculous. Why on earth would Shem Tov remove these passages? So let's assume it was translated from Greek, then Shem Tov represents a family of Greek text that I have not seen before.

Shalom,
Nachshon

[alon]

After reading through (as opposed to reading "all" of) this, I can see this is one version I no longer have to consider getting. The HRV Bible was recommended on a website I was just listening to (they have audio!). I was even considering buying some of their sermons, but this thread and the fact they push the HRV leads me to be suspect even of that.

I try to be careful where I get my teaching, so these discussions are much appreciated!

Dan C