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Post by Chizuk Emunah on Jul 9, 2005 6:58:05 GMT -8
Mattiyahu 3:11 Behold I am only immersing you in water to repentance, and he that comes after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not fit to carry, and he will immerse you *with the fire of the Ruach HaKodesh. *Following the Hebrew (DuTillet & Shem Tob) the Aramaic and Greek have "fire and the Ruach HaKodesh." I tend to agree with fire of the Ruach HaKodesh here. There are many examples throughout Scripture of the Ruach appearing as fire.In the  , the Ruach appeared as a pillar of fire at night to lead Am Yisrael. And in Acts 2, the Ruach fell upon the believers gathered, and appeared as cloven tongues of fire. |
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Post by inthewind on Jul 6, 2006 10:39:21 GMT -8
I know this thread is out of date, but was wondering if anyone can give me any information.
I purchased an HRV over a year ago, probably about 2-3, got in on the early order for a reduced price but never received it. There were continual delays of this and that. I eventually reached Mr. Trimm by some thread which offered the HRV for sale and was told it would be shipped. I have continued to try to get the HRV but keep getting delayed and all inquires are fruitless.
Am I just out of luck.
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Post by Yitzchak on Jul 7, 2006 3:26:32 GMT -8
Without getting into details, I can tell you that there are many like yourself. Some have waited far longer.
At this point, and based on what I have read, it seems like it is unlikely that you will receive it.
Shalom,
Yitzchak
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Post by Chizuk Emunah on Jul 7, 2006 6:51:38 GMT -8
I hate to say it but I think Yitzchak may be right. I would try to call him personally and ask him to send it. If he refuses, then it is up to you whether or not to take legal action. I won't get into too many details, but I can tell you that the money from the sale of the Bibles was severely mismanaged. It is truly a  too, because the HRV really is a good study Bible. Shalom, Natanel |
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Post by inthewind on Jul 7, 2006 7:44:20 GMT -8
Thank you for the reply. I had written it off as gone, but when I saw this thread I had hope.
I will wait for the Messianic Prophecy Bible.
Shalom
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Post by Rick on Jul 19, 2006 16:21:13 GMT -8
Have you tried ISR? www.isr-messianic.org/I purchased mine here when they first offered it, I recieved it in 6 days. Shalom, Chaver |
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Post by Nachshon on Dec 17, 2006 11:23:00 GMT -8
The whole deal with the HRV is really a . I have a friend who, by some miracle, actually got one from a friend of his. From what he's said, and research I've done on my own, it was a very promising translation. |
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Post by Nachshon on Dec 17, 2006 11:25:38 GMT -8
Have you tried ISR? www.isr-messianic.org/I purchased mine here when they first offered it, I recieved it in 6 days. Shalom, Chaver Are you saying that you were able to get an HRV from ISR? Is there hope? |
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Post by Chizuk Emunah on Dec 17, 2006 11:35:32 GMT -8
Yeah, now that they are using a reliable independent publisher there shouldn't be any further problems. In my opinion they should have done that from the get go.
Shavua Tov v'chag chanukah sameach,
Natanel
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Post by Nachshon on Jan 1, 2007 8:03:00 GMT -8
One thing I haven't been able to pin down yet is, does he use the Old Syriac version of the Gospels? One group of people has told me that he did, and another friend of mine, who owns a HRV said that he used the Peshitta (with the exception of Matthew, for which he used the Hebrew versions).
Shalom,
David
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Jan 2, 2007 20:26:55 GMT -8
Because of this Bible’s use of the heretical Shem Tob sources in which it also attempts to legitimize...I would avoid this version (HRV) of the Bible altogether...Please see beginning of this thread. There are much better Bibles to spend your money on. For example, pick up a "Complete Jewish Bible" if you have not done so yet.
Shalom,
Reuel
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Post by Nachshon on Jan 24, 2007 10:00:58 GMT -8
I dislike Mr. Stern's translation, division of the B'rit Chadesha readings in the portions, and I'm not fond of the texts he uses. I am actually greatly interested in the Shem Tov version, though I preferr the Peshitta.
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Feb 5, 2007 0:17:26 GMT -8
No credible scholar believes the "Shem Tov" is a valid version of the B'surot Tovot (Good News). It is clearly the work of the anti-Messianic Missionary Shem Tov. Those whom take it seriously could be seriously misled.
Perhaps we should start a thread on the Complete Jewish Bible as I think it is a great translation and an excellent Bible that every Messianic Believer should have a copy of. Of course I know of no perfect translation, but most objections that people bring up regarding this version usually disappear when we actually study the underlying Hebrew and Greek.
Shalom,
Reuel
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Post by Nachshon on Feb 15, 2007 13:52:45 GMT -8
Actually, to me, it is the very fact that it was copied by an anti-missionary that makes it so fascinating. What reason would he have to remove trinitarian referrences? Wouldn't they strengthen, rather than weaken, his case? Doesn't this clearly imply that whatever ms Shem Tov was using didn't have the referrences?
Stern has left a very bad taste in my mouth. I have studied Hebrew for a few years now, though I claim to be no scholar, and I am an Peshitta primacist, so that naturally makes me far more interested in HRV. I'm not trying to be forceful about it. I merely mentioned that I was interested in obtaining a copy. I also have a copy of the DSS, and would like one of the Apocrypha. Do I accept them as reliable? No, not really.
Shalom,
David
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Post by Chizuk Emunah on Feb 16, 2007 10:57:26 GMT -8
To be completely honest, the HRV only uses the Shem Tov in very few instances. So, if you are looking for the full Shem Tov, I would try and look elsewhere to see if I could find it.
Shabbat Shalom,
Natanel
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, the Ruach appeared as a pillar of fire at night to lead Am Yisrael. 
too, because the HRV really is a good study Bible.
