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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Mar 22, 2004 18:19:59 GMT -8
Please share your thoughts if you have seen this movie which is quickly turning into a phenomenon.
Shalom,
Reuel
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Post by Todah Yeshua on Mar 22, 2004 21:45:39 GMT -8
I'm still thinking about this movie, I'm not sure what I think yet. I have seen it twice, but I think I want to put it to the true test before I share my thoughts on it. The true test is in the word of God, so let me compare it to Gods word, and I will get back to you. I think what I'm starting to realize is, The first time that I saw it I was bombarded by hollywood to the point that I didn't have time to notice if the movie taught the word of God in anyway at all. I'm sorry, I'm just not ready to give it the green light just yet. Gods word is very powerful, but just because a movie is thought to be powerful doesn't make it Gods word. I will get back to you on this movie.
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Mar 23, 2004 22:27:02 GMT -8
Todah Yeshua,
I am looking forward to your review of this movie.
Shalom,
Reuel
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Post by Todah Yeshua on Mar 25, 2004 19:14:20 GMT -8
Ok, here are my thoughts on the movie, but remember that this is only my opinion. The first time I saw the movie I was deeply moved by the thought of what my Lord went through for me, and I still am. After seeing the movie a second time I feel it may have been lacking something, I believe that something is God's message to us. Here's my problem, did our Lord go straight to the cross after his baptism, no he didn't. He went to everyone he could reach sharing God's message of truth. That we need to believe in Him, repent of our ways, and follow His commands. I understand that the movie was about the last 12 hrs of his life, but I wish it would have noted that there is a message before the cross. Also, that there is a reserection and an assention after the cross and that He sits at the right hand of the Father today and will return one day for God's children. I guess my issue with it is that I keep hearing how great of a witnessing tool this would be for the lost. I don't see how that can be without God's message to us in it. Though the movie was made about the last 12hrs there were many liberties taken in it, things that aren't scriptural about the last 12 hrs. The movie did remind me of how unworthy we all are, and that it's only by God's grace that we can be saved. People that already have a relationship with the Lord will be moved by the portrayel of what he went through for all of us. I'm not saying it's a bad movie, I'm just saying it doesn't share the Lord's message to us. Then again I guess that is our job as believers to share that message, and not Mel Gibson's. I just pray that it leads unbelievers to search for the truth in scripture, not lead them to believe that the movie was God's full message for us. I'm not saying that the movie would not be profitable at all for the unbeliever, or the believer. I just wish there would have been more of God's word for the unbeliever. I just pray that somehow God will lead the unbelievers that have seen this movie, and those that haven't, to His word where they can find the truth.
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Mar 26, 2004 1:31:59 GMT -8
Todah Yeshua,
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I have not seen the movie yet, but that was one of the more insightful reviews I have read in regards to this movie. You are no doubt Spirit led, and full of truth. I will join you in prayer that Adonai will use this film regardless of it's shortcomings.
Shalom my friend,
Reuel
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Post by yeshua's homeboy on Mar 30, 2004 1:30:38 GMT -8
I to have seen this movie, I was moved by the images that are shown as we are reminded of our saviors love for us, however I do believe that parts of the movie could confuse some that are not familiar with scripture there has been some added non biblical portions of story line put in this movie that do not take away from the main message but could leave some wondering where bible story ends and a directors creative input begins. Those creative inputs are more likely accounts from a vision seen by German nun Anne Catherine Emmerich. (read below) I do believe that this movie creates a dialogue for people to ask questions about Yeshua. Infact one of my coworkers today asked If I had seen the movie and what I thought about it. I would not tell people not to see this movie but like every thing we must test everything according to the Scriptures.
While it's not mentioned in the press handouts, Gibson has told interviewers that he was heavily influenced by a 19th century book of visions, "The Dolorous Passion of Our Lord Jesus Christ," by Anne Catherine Emmerich, a German nun and mystic.
Emmerich's visions about the torture of Jesus are known for their extremely negative depiction of Caiphas and the Jewish crowds.
In her vision, Emmerich describes "the cruel Jews almost devouring their victim with their eyes" and a "crowd of miscreants -- the very scum of the people.''
While Caiphas is painted as the incarnation of evil, Emmerich sees Pilate as "that proud and irresolute pagan, that slave of the world, who trembled in the presence of the true God.''
Both Emmerich and Gibson -- not the Bible -- portray Pilate's wife as a secret supporter of the tortured Jesus and include the same nonbiblical scenes, such as one where Jesus is tossed off a bridge and yanked back up by his chains.
Emmerich's descriptions of the tortured body of Jesus often read as if they were the actual instructions given to Gibson's makeup artists.
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Mar 30, 2004 12:34:24 GMT -8
Yeshua's Homeboy,
Welcome to Ha Ahava Elohim Discussion Forum!
Thank you for sharing that valuable information with us. That is some very interesting information, and gives more insight into this movie. I have decided that I want to learn much more about Mel, and his influences before I see this movie.
Thank you for sharing!
Shalom in Yeshua,
Reuel
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Post by azumah on Apr 3, 2004 4:56:03 GMT -8
These are all excellent points. I certainly agree with the timeline argument that Todah Yeshua presents. Way too many believers try to pick and choose where GOD's love and mercy begins whether it is 12 hours before Yeshua's crucifixtion or with the book of Matthew.
As disapointed as I was with the movie, at the same time I was really moved by it. I wept no fewer than two times, and also fumed at various inclusions of the Catholic Talmud. Personally I can't see how anybody can justify not watching this movie, and not have a problem watching any other movie. You certainly better bring your bible goggles when watching it, just like anything else that you watch.
There are some people out there who have no problem watching a movie like "Remember the Titans," but refuse to watch this movie. That makes absolutely no sense to me at all.
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Apr 3, 2004 5:13:15 GMT -8
Azumah,
You have a good point. My decision to wait is based off the fact Mel Gibson is Catholic, and I want to understand more about what His sect of Catholicism believes. I want to be able to identify these influences in the movie so that I may point them out to people later. I think this movie is a little different than any other movie out there.
It is quite the phenomenon in regards to hollywood. And, it is the current buzz in the "Christian World". I want to be careful about what I say, or believe in regards to this movie. I think that we should be careful with what we watch at any given moment. But, when it comes to my faith, and how it may be protrayed on the big screen...I take this more seriously than any other movie I may watch.
By no means am I condeming anyone for watching, or supporting this movie. Personally, I just want to take my time with it.
Shalom,
Reuel
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Post by azumah on Apr 3, 2004 5:51:04 GMT -8
I can honesty say that anyone whose faith is based on the scriptures will be disapointed with anything that comes out of Hollywood. There is far too much love of things other than GOD for there to be an accurate portrayal. Something Yeshua says in Luke 16:13 we cannot do.
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Apr 3, 2004 10:50:27 GMT -8
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Post by Jessica on Apr 3, 2004 12:15:00 GMT -8
I would like to share just how this movie has made an imact on my life. I don't really get into who the movie was made by and how and where, all I can comment on is the finished product. Even though I saw many flaws, this movie has helped me really look at Yeshua and what HE has done for me. After seeing this movie I've looked at my life and seen how I just waste my time doing fruitless things when instead I should be praising HIM for what HE has given me : Eternal life and The WAY in which to follow HIM. One of the main things that stood out to me was even though HE suffered so much phisical pain to be our living sacrifice, HE suffers more now when we reject HIM and choose to sin against HIM. How can we do that? To our loving saviour?. I hate saying that GOD used a "movie" to bring HIM back into focus in my life, but I think that "The Passion of the Christ" played a big part. Every day now I do what I should have been doing all along, I thank God for what HE has done for me , the joys and the pains, for giving us HIS HOLY law and for HIS love!I have fallin in love all over again with the Messiah in a way I didn't know possible and I recomend this movie to everyone .
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Post by Nessa on Apr 3, 2004 13:40:51 GMT -8
Hi Jessica,
I am really looking forward to seeing this movie especially after your post. When I was reading the first left behind book, there was a part in it where one of the pastors was left behind because he did not have a real relationship with the YHVH. He was just doing the motions. When I was reading about that at that time, I rededicated my life to Him. It also made me afraid for my salvation because I had become so lazy and distant in my walk. It is good to have a healthy fear of the YHVH. There are definetly things in those books that are not scriptural, or could be looked at differenly. But YHVH used it to give me a wake up call.
We all need those wake up calls in our walks with the YHVH. It is so easy to get caught up in frivelous things. Life is short and we need to focus on what really is important and that is our relationships with YHVH and others. And, showing people through living out His word in our lives. The the Passion movie sounds like you really get a visual of what Yeshua did and how much he went through for us.
Happy Sabbath!
Nessa (Reuel's wife)
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Apr 9, 2004 21:43:35 GMT -8
I found this to be a good perspective of this movie put forth by UNION OF MESSIANIC JEWISH CONGREGATIONS. To read the article, click on this link: www.beitsimcha.com/UMJC_on_Passion.htmLet me know what you think. Shalom, Reuel |
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Post by yeshua's homeboy on Apr 10, 2004 1:26:44 GMT -8
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