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Post by zionlion on Oct 11, 2009 23:09:53 GMT -8
I hope this helps. This is from Davidic Dance.Com: What Is Davidic (Messianic) dance? Davidic (Messianic) Dance is a physical expression of praise, thanksgiving and joy to Elohim (G-d). The Hebrew word for dance is rikud which means to skip or leap for joy. Some of the Messianic -Davidic dances are patterned after traditional Israeli folkdances; others are originally choreographed by Messianic Jewish believers. They vary from very simple, repetitive steps to more complex. They are meant to be danced as a group without any emphasis on one dancer. The tone of the Messianic Jewish dances range from reverentially devotional to exuberantly joyful. Messianic Dancers include men, women, teenagers and young children. All celebrations (i.e. b'nai mitzvot, weddings, Seders, social gatherings, etc.) as well as worship services are appropriate times to dance. Davidic (Messianic Jewish) Dance can play an important role in uniting Jewish and gentile believers in praising Adonai (the Lord). www.davidicdance.com/ |
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Post by tonga on Oct 12, 2009 10:25:40 GMT -8
Yes, that does help, thank you. From looking at the photos, it seems to be much like (if not identical to) Israeli folk dancing. |
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Post by zionlion on Oct 12, 2009 20:48:27 GMT -8
Yes it does. I've never seen either in person but have seen both on TV.
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Post by ninjaaron on Oct 13, 2009 3:39:45 GMT -8
I get pretty annoyed with the people with the scarves and the ribbon dancers at church. I also get annoyed when they have these really elaborate interpretive dances that clearly have a lot of meaning for them, but look like a lot of nonsense for everyone else. I don't really mind if those people are in the back. I just don't like seeing them. If someone wants move to the music, that's all well and good. Anyway, we all know that when David danced before the Lord, he didn't have any pants. I have been known to dance in my room without pants, from time to time, but not at worship gatherings. Still not as undignified as David, I guess. Jesus probably danced in the Synagogue around the  scrolls. It is doubtful that he would have danced during the hymns, as this was not the common practice. Not that anyone could ever know that. |
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Post by ninjaaron on Oct 13, 2009 3:43:54 GMT -8
I hope this helps. This is from Davidic Dance.Com... that doesn't sound so bad, as a community activity and all. I'd probably have to stick with simple dances, and I'm very bad at learning complicated steps. |
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Post by tonga on Oct 13, 2009 6:19:02 GMT -8
You and me both. The "Grapevine" is about as complex
as I'm ever going to get with dancing.
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Post by zionlion on Oct 13, 2009 8:54:08 GMT -8
Considering my limited dancing abilities, I think everyone would be happy if I just handed out the tambourines.  |
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Post by zionlion on Oct 13, 2009 11:47:22 GMT -8
ninjaaron, Would you like to share with us about your dancing in your room in your skivvies? Inquiring minds want to know. (maybe not)  |
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Post by ninjaaron on Oct 13, 2009 23:09:43 GMT -8
well, college was a strange time. |
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Post by veggirl on Nov 23, 2009 11:45:48 GMT -8
Theres a book called the Dancing for Joy
A Biblical Approach to Praise and Worship..
This book is a very good book if u want to check it out..
The Davidic line (also referred to as the House of David) (known in Hebrew as Malkhut Beit David (îìëåú áéú ãåéã) -
Dance is a physical expression of praise, thanksgiving and joy to Elohim (G-d). The Hebrew word for dance is rikud which means to skip or leap for joy.
Hope this helps..
peace&love bri'gette
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 21, 2015 11:59:48 GMT -8
There is a Messianic Congregation about two hours from me. They have what they refer to as "Davidic Dance". In the picture, the women are dressed up in glittery long dresses and dance in a circle with scarfs in their hands. Upon further investigation, it doesn't appear to be that uncommon in Messianic congregations.
Where does this come from, and why is it called "Davidic"? I don't see this type of dancing consistent with what is recorded about David dancing before the L-rd. It just looks silly to me. Based on their web page, this is the only reason that I won't attend as everything sounded consistent with my beliefs. It's really disappointing, but they completely lost me on this one practice.
I don't mind the way Chavurat Hamoshiach incorporates communal dancing into worship. It seems more sincere and natural; not forced or showy. Those who want to dance, gather in the back during the musical portion of worship. It isn't announced or anything, very low key. What little I have seen is kind of like Slavic circle dancing I have done with my husband's family. It's genuine, very familial, and sincerely joyful. I can see how G-d would find joy in this unity with each other through Him. I also understand how much community there is in it.
In contrast, this synagogue has a group of women in front of the congregation who apparently have prepared and practiced a dance, which they do in front of the congregation. I don't know. It just seems so contrived and awkward. David didn't play dress up and choreograph moves to stand and dance before the assembly.
I know that sounds harsh, but I think that is exactly what it looks like to outsiders. It's exactly what it looks like to me. Granted, I don't know much about it, so my impression is questionable. However, at minimum we should then address the public perception of it. My husband would never take me seriously if I brought him to this type of worship. Honestly, I find it very embarrassing and was really disappointed when I saw this. I don't know much about it, but as I said this is an impression so it matters at least on that level.
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Post by jimmie on Dec 22, 2015 10:32:29 GMT -8
When I first heard about Davidic Dance, my first question to the young lady telling me about it was to ask if it was done in the nude like David. She proceeded to tell me that David was dressed in a linen ephod or covering which Michal perceived to be an uncovering because it was a simple priests’ garment and not a royal garment. Ouch! Out of the mouth of babes and suckling thou hast perfected praise. Evidently rebuke also.
Michal should have been like Miriam, who went out with timbrels and dance Ex. 15:20 or Jephthah’s daughter Judges 11:34. She should have turned her mourning into dancing Ps 30:11. There is a time to mourn and a time to dance Eccl. 3:4. We should not dance when it is time to mourn Ex. 32:19
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Post by Elizabeth on Dec 22, 2015 12:16:59 GMT -8
I have heard there is debate about whether or not he was nude. The main difference to me is that David didn't care what he looked like. That is how I have always understood it. He danced with all his heart for the L-rd. I assume it was driven be the holy spirits as we know he was full of the spirit. I also always assumed it was a spontaneous expression of joy. The preparation, practice, costuming and such just seems like display to me. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think calling it "Davidic" is inaccurate.
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Post by jimmie on Dec 22, 2015 12:28:10 GMT -8
I suppose one could also say that the preparation, practice, costuming and such needed to play music, sing or preach seems like a display also. And indeed it would be, if its' purpose was to be seen of men rather than God.
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Post by alon on Dec 22, 2015 14:12:23 GMT -8
I'm a recovering Baptist, so any dancing is new to me. Like you both, I don't have a problem with it if done in the appropriate time, place and manner. I can't say much about it as an expression of praise and worship as I've never done it. However those I observed doing it at our parent synagogue seemed to have a genuine desire to honor Hashem. They quietly formed in the back, then quietly danced and sat down afterward. No show, no calling attention to themselves. In contrast, many churches I've been to have "praise teams" who almost put on a rock concert every Sunday morning. And while I haven't seen it, I have no doubt someone calling themselves Messianic does the same on Shabbat somewhere- such as the one you mention Elizabeth. I don't know if it would be enough to keep me from fellowshipping with them if they were the only Messianic group around; but it certainly would raise some red flags. And if the dance was lewd or inappropriate, then no, I would not fellowship with them. At 2 hrs away, fellowship would be pretty limited anyhow.
As to the name, I'm guessing they call it that because David danced before the Lord. But as Jimmie says, he wasn't the only one- so why "Davidic Dance?" I don't know; but they had to call it something I suppose. But what I've seen of it no one is exposed. True Meshiachim dress modestly and act with decorum, especially in synagogue. So the argument about Melech Dovid exposing himself is really moot. The dance is what it is; and observing it can be a good indicator of how kadosh, how set apart a particular congregation is. And if you weren't raised Baptist and are at all coordinated, maybe it could be a form of worship for you as well. If not, do what I do: eyes front and focus on Hashem.
Actually, being ex-Baptist and all, it is hard for me to worship during the singing as well. But the only time I have been able to do even that has been during Messianic services. It was a real experience the first time I went to a Messianic service and this happened. I am honestly more into the message than the music anyhow. Always have been. We all worship in our own way, within limits.
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