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Post by Vaneide on Jan 12, 2007 12:39:05 GMT -8
Sabbath shalom everyone.
I suppose that the third Bet Hamikdash will be built on the place where the mosque is now, is that rigth?
Who will build the Holy house? Yeshua?. He will build when his come for the second time? Or will be his on people in this generation? The Orthodoxes Jews believe who will build the Holy House will be Mashiach
The prophecy of Ezekiel 40, 41, 42, 43 and 44 is for the future Bet hamikdash, I understand like this. But I am not sure if I understand about the sacrifice of animals that says in the vrs 19-27 of the chapter 43. If Yeshua have made the sin's sacrifice for us, shedding his on blood.
Vaneide.
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Post by Yosef_m on Jan 12, 2007 13:06:11 GMT -8
i was watching this show on the bouilding of the thrird temple yesterday and the basic explination they came up with was this...
before yeshua, the high priests did animal sacrifices to temporarily atone for ones sins, untill yeshua came and erased tham for us...
in the third temple there is going to be animal sacrifices to remember what the yeshua hamasshia (did i spelled that rigth??)
did...
you know...like when catolics remember the last supper with bread and wine...
shalom
Yosef
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Post by Chizuk Emunah on Jan 12, 2007 13:09:43 GMT -8
Shalom Vaneide, I believe that either the third Beit HaMikdash will be built before Moshiach returns, or the Mishkan will be erected until the Beit HaMikdash can be built. There are several theories as to the true location of the Kadosh HaKedoshim. One holds that it is under the Dome of the Crock, and another holds that it is actually further north under a small cupola. Only a few people, including the Temple Institute know the different possible locations. You can find the thread on the Temple here: The Temple, and The Priesthoodand the one on sacrifices here: Where do sacrifices fit into our practice?Shalom, Natanel |
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Post by Vaneide on Jan 13, 2007 13:35:02 GMT -8
Shalom, Natanel
I find quite hard to understand that the sacrifice of animals in Ezekiel 43: 19-27 is for us to remember the sacrifice of Yeshua. I know I don't understand everything clear, yet. I am doing my teshuva and sometimes is too to hard understand from the point of Judaism view. I know my eyes is open now, but I think the sacrifice what Yeshua have made is for ever and we don't need to offer anymore sacrifice for our sin. I do also understand that Yeshua didn't canceled the commandments as the Christianity preach, but I can't conceive in my mind that we will offer sacrifice for our sins when the Bet Hamikdash will be built.
How can we interpreted Hebrews chapter 9: 11-27?
Vaneide.
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Post by Vaneide on Jan 13, 2007 13:46:54 GMT -8
shalom, Natanel If you want to move this topic to the other one what is speaking about sacrifice, Or the other one what is speaking about the Temple and the Priesthood, you can, depend of you. Vaneide.  |
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Post by Yitzchak on Jan 13, 2007 19:50:19 GMT -8
Vaneide, It is important when studying the the Ezekiel chapters, to study in the context of the sacrifices required in  . When you look at the Ezekiel offerings they differ, and there is a reason for that. It speaks of the Prince, who is Messiah Yeshua who will prepare the sacrifices, and the two sacrifices which will not be offered in the Third Temple are those which he made by His own sacrifice. I have more extensive notes on this, but don't have time to write now. Shalom, Yitzchak |
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Post by Ruchamah on Jul 12, 2009 9:36:35 GMT -8
Shalom Yitchak,
It says in Hebrews, that if he were on earth, Yeshua would NOT serve as priest. Also, the Prince spoken of in Ezekiel offers up sacrifices for his own sin and the sins of the people. Is this possibly Yeshua???
Thanks!
Ruchamah
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Post by rawny on Jul 14, 2009 5:41:38 GMT -8
Shalom all, im still pretty new to all this and no expert on the bible , but i read somewere that in the millenium kingdom Yeshua would be king and David would be the prince, forgive me if im wrong its just something i remember reading .
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2014 2:53:15 GMT -8
i was watching this show on the bouilding of the thrird temple yesterday and the basic explination they came up with was this... before yeshua, the high priests did animal sacrifices to temporarily atone for ones sins, untill yeshua came and erased tham for us... in the third temple there is going to be animal sacrifices to remember what the yeshua hamasshia (did i spelled that rigth??) did... you know...like when catolics remember the last supper with bread and wine... shalom Yosef You mean to restore the sweet savour beloved by the Lord. How do people miss this? Who hasn't smelt the smell of lamb on a bbq. Magnify that aroma and think what The Lord is being denied. The oblation has ceased. If you read the Law, and especially the part on fellowship sacrifices, one should realise that the savour was and is linked to the congregations obedience. When the priests had been given their share, there was always plenty to go round (in fellowship). Now is that not sublime? |
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Post by alon on May 6, 2014 13:35:04 GMT -8
i was watching this show on the bouilding of the thrird temple yesterday and the basic explination they came up with was this... before yeshua, the high priests did animal sacrifices to temporarily atone for ones sins, untill yeshua came and erased tham for us... in the third temple there is going to be animal sacrifices to remember what the yeshua hamasshia (did i spelled that rigth??) did... you know...like when catolics remember the last supper with bread and wine... shalom Yosef This is the typical mainC doctrine on the Temple and sacrifices. And it is mostly wrong. Num 15:29-30 "no matter whether he is a citizen of Isra'el or a foreigner living with them. You are to have one law for whoever it is that does something wrong by mistake. "'But an individual who does something wrong intentionally, whether a citizen or a foreigner, is blaspheming ADONAI. That person will be cut off from his people." So first off we see that the sacrifices did not atone for all sins. The priestly view on this has always been that for intentional sins ("high handed sis") there was no sacrifice. In fact, a study of Leviticus shows that the purpose of sacrifices was as much to cleanse the Temple of accumulated sins of the people as it was for their forgiveness. This is why the blood was sprinkled on the alter, and why even sins or offenses they were not aware of had to be atoned for by sacrifices. MainC, thinking Leviticus is irrelevant anyhow, just makes the assumption sacrifices covered sins and passes by any serious studies of Leviticus. I just recently had to defend this in front of a class, and my opponent was my Nazarine pastor friend, who has a Masters degree. Even at that level, this is what they are taught is the superficial understanding "sacrifices temporarily covered sins." I would also point out that there is little correlation to the RC communion, which is how they remember the Last Supper (Pesach), and to the Temple sacrifices. They believe in "Transubstantiation", wherein the bread becomes the actual body of Christ, and the wine actually becomes His blood. To a Jew (and most Gentiles), this act of cannibalism is horrific, as well as prohibited. And where both Pesach and the future Temple sacrifices look back on what Yeshua has done (from a Messianic point of view), Transubstiation seeks to recrucify Christ time and again in the present. MainC typically doesn't even acknowledge the reinstatement of the sacrificial system; certainly they don't see they have any part in it. In fact, they'll go through all kinds of scriptural gymnastics to deny it when we point out that Paul sacrificed in the Temple even after his conversion. But yes, my understanding is that the sacrifices in the Third Temple will look back on what Yeshua did whereas those before the crucifixion looked forward to the promise of redemption made by the sacrifice of haMoshiach. Both are very graphic illustrations of the brutal price to be paid for even our smallest sins. Dan C |
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Post by Questor on May 6, 2014 15:43:29 GMT -8
i was watching this show on the bouilding of the thrird temple yesterday and the basic explination they came up with was this... before yeshua, the high priests did animal sacrifices to temporarily atone for ones sins, untill yeshua came and erased tham for us... in the third temple there is going to be animal sacrifices to remember what the yeshua hamasshia (did i spelled that rigth??) did... you know...like when catolics remember the last supper with bread and wine... shalom Yosef
There are, however, sacrifices of incense, and grain offerings for other purposes, and those will be used at the least during the pilgrimage moedim, even in the Kingdom. Whether there are blood sacrifices at all in the future Kingdom is up to Yehoshua as to what kind of worship He wants, and He said He wanted obedience, and the sacrifice of praise.
Even in a newly built Temple prior to the Abomination of Desolation, I cannot see Believers in Yehoshua making blood sacrifices for their sins. Non-Messianic Jews, certainly would feel that blood sacrifices would be necessary.
I question that any blood sacrifice for sin is acceptable to YHVH now that Yehoshua has already come. |
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Post by alon on May 6, 2014 16:47:42 GMT -8
Even though the Temple will stand again, even if only to be desecrated, I do not see how any of those that are Believers in Yehoshua could ever offer a blood sacrifice for sin...Yehoshua has already done that, and for those that trust in him as our Redeemer, we need no further blood offering for sin, and would be diminishing what Yehoshua already did for us. ... Even in a newly built Temple prior to the Abomination of Desolation, I cannot see Believers in Yehoshua making blood sacrifices for their sins. Non-Messianic Jews, certainly would feel that blood sacrifices would be necessary. I question that any blood sacrifice for sin is acceptable to YHVH now that Yehoshua has already come. As I said, Rav Sha'ul offered sacrifices on at least two extended occasions after his conversion when he participated in the Nazarene vows. The early believers who still worshiped as a sect of Jews who believed in Yeshua as haMoshiach would also have offered sacrifices, otherwise they would have not been accepted by other Jews. The sacrifices did not end until the destruction of the Temple. As I said, sacrifices after the resurrection simply look back to what Yeshua did for us. That Yeshua did away with the sacrifices is just another part of the mainC false doctrine that Yeshua came to establish another religion, "fulfilling" all that messy "Jewish stuff." However, if I remember correctly (I'm not that strong on eschatology) the true sacrifices won't resume until after Yeshua stands on the Temple mount and destroys the antichrist. So He'll be calling the shots then anyhow- obedience-- we'll already have a bit of practice at that, so not a problem for us. Dan C |
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Post by Torah Lishmah on May 7, 2014 0:33:18 GMT -8
Non-Messianic Jews, certainly would feel that blood sacrifices would be necessary. How did you come to this conclusion? Necessary for what, exactly? In my experience, it is the Christians & Messianics who are so fixated on blood sacrifices. |
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Post by Questor on May 7, 2014 6:13:39 GMT -8
Even though the Temple will stand again, even if only to be desecrated, I do not see how any of those that are Believers in Yehoshua could ever offer a blood sacrifice for sin...Yehoshua has already done that, and for those that trust in him as our Redeemer, we need no further blood offering for sin, and would be diminishing what Yehoshua already did for us. ... Even in a newly built Temple prior to the Abomination of Desolation, I cannot see Believers in Yehoshua making blood sacrifices for their sins. Non-Messianic Jews, certainly would feel that blood sacrifices would be necessary. I question that any blood sacrifice for sin is acceptable to YHVH now that Yehoshua has already come. As I said, Rav Sha'ul offered sacrifices on at least two extended occasions after his conversion when he participated in the Nazarene vows. The early believers who still worshiped as a sect of Jews who believed in Yeshua as haMoshiach would also have offered sacrifices, otherwise they would have not been accepted by other Jews. The sacrifices did not end until the destruction of the Temple. As I said, sacrifices after the resurrection simply look back to what Yeshua did for us. That Yeshua did away with the sacrifices is just another part of the mainC false doctrine that Yeshua came to establish another religion, "fulfilling" all that messy "Jewish stuff." However, if I remember correctly (I'm not that strong on eschatology) the true sacrifices won't resume until after Yeshua stands on the Temple mount and destroys the antichrist. So He'll be calling the shots then anyhow- obedience-- we'll already have a bit of practice at that, so not a problem for us. Dan C
I am more than willing to do what is required of me in the Scriptures...you know that, and in the Kingdom, we will have first hand instructions to know what to do.
My question is related only to the blood sacrifices for sin after the raising of the 3rd temple, not all the other sacrifices made there.
Where does it say in the Scriptures that blood sacrifices are looking back to the Stake, and Yehoshua's giving of himself for us?
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Post by Questor on May 7, 2014 6:19:23 GMT -8
How did you come to this conclusion? Necessary for what, exactly? In my experience, it is the Christians & Messianics who are so fixated on blood sacrifices.
There are, however, sacrifices of incense, and grain offerings for other purposes, and those will be used at the least during the pilgrimage moedim, even in the Kingdom. Whether there are blood sacrifices at all in the future Kingdom is up to Yehoshua as to what kind of worship He wants, and He said He wanted obedience, and the sacrifice of praise.
Even in a newly built Temple prior to the Abomination of Desolation, I cannot see Believers in Yehoshua making blood sacrifices for their sins. Non-Messianic Jews, certainly would feel that blood sacrifices would be necessary.
I question that any blood sacrifice for sin is acceptable to YHVH now that Yehoshua has already come.
Read more: theloveofgod.proboards.com/thread/95/construction-third-bet-hamikdash?page=1&scrollTo=16529#ixzz312UYjO3a
As for making a sacrifice in remembrance of Yehoshua, isn't that the Wine and Matza at communion that we take in remembrance of Yehoshua by His own command? |
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. When you look at the Ezekiel offerings they differ, and there is a reason for that. 
