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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Mar 22, 2004 19:50:15 GMT -8
Do you wear a kippah/yarmulka, and if so, why?
Shalom,
Reuel
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Post by Yochanah on Mar 30, 2004 18:33:07 GMT -8
While many Messianic and Jewish women now wear a yarmulka, I personally would not because it is a well-known custom of men. The tells us, [Deut.22:5] that we are not to wear clothing of the opposite gender. As a woman, my understanding of Apostle Paul, [1 Cor. 11:10 & 13] is that as a symbol of authority, women should "veil" their "hair" while in prayer or prophesying. This does not mean to cover the whole head, including the face, or wear a tiny head piece. But cover her esteem (glory), which is her hair. As I understand it, the purpose of the headcovering for women is to show respect for the line of authority as set-up by YHWH, our Elohim. The reason the headcovering was chosen as a symbol for this is because hair is a symbol of the woman's esteem and it is YHWH's esteem that should be exalted during prayer or prophesying. As for the custom of men wearing the Yarmulka, I mean no disrespect to the Messianic and/or Jewish men, who wear them, but I could find no command for this custom with one exception...the high priest. Leviticus 21:10 "And he that is the high priest among his brethren, upon whose head the anointing oil was poured, and that is consecrated to put on the garments, shall not uncover his head, nor rend his clothes" But we no longer have an earthly high priest. Hebrews 3:1 Therefore, set-apart brothers, partakers of the heavenly calling, closely consider the Emissary and High Priest of our confession, Messiah Yeshua; Our High Priest is Yeshua haMachiach which is finishing His investigative work in the Heavenly Sanctuary and is about to return to claim His bride. Rev. 21:9 And one of the seven messengers who held the seven bowls filled with the seven last plagues came to me and spoke with me, saying, "Come, I shall show you the bride, the Lamb's wife." But I could not find any other command that says that men are to wear any head covering during prayer or prophesying. To the contrary, it was considered a for men to cover their heads as they are made in the image of Elohim, 1 Cor. 11:7. I am of the understanding that this is yet another deception of the enemy to bring dishonor to our Heavenly Father. 2 Thes. 2:9-11 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders... Shalom, Yochanah
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Post by The 614th Mitzvot on Jul 18, 2004 12:32:48 GMT -8
I disagree with Yochanan, I think that Paul was reffering to a homosexuality issue, read this article and you'll see my point. associate.com/ministry_files/The_Reading_Room/Yeshua_Messianic_Judaism/Womens_headcoverings_a_Messi.shtmlAfter you read hear what I now say. When a man covers his head he does it to show reverence and since we are all made high priest by Yohshuah HaMoshiach, we should cover our heads. It is not simply the wearing of the hat, but when you cover your head it is a sign, in my mind anyway, that I need forgiveness and while I can keep my head covered to show reverence as one who goes before a king, yet like a king I wear a crown, one that I must give up for yet another in the World to Come. (Wow I'm a poet, cool. )
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Post by SimchatTorah on Aug 2, 2004 19:06:12 GMT -8
I wear a Kippah when attending schul, but not elsewhere... because I am simply not that observant (yet). It is permissable for a woman to wear a kippah according to halacha, but it must be of feminine colors and style.
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Post by The 614th Mitzvot on Aug 5, 2004 6:55:50 GMT -8
I agree, as I have spoken to Kallah, any Law is permisable of women and of more of a blessing to them. When a women practices a law she was not commanded, it is like a father who asks his eldest to help in the fields, when the younger hears this, the child becomes excited and helps his older in the fields. It is not necessary, but it merits more of a blessing because it was not directly asked, but they do it out of faith. And as Rabbi Sha'ul said, any act done out of faith is of Adonai, but anything not is a sin.
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Aug 5, 2004 8:39:23 GMT -8
This of course may be true unless there is a mitzvah that restricts a woman in a certain area that is only commanded of men. In the case of the Kippah / Yarmulka...neither has been commanded for a man, or a woman.
Shalom,
Reuel
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Post by The 614th Mitzvot on Aug 8, 2004 10:34:48 GMT -8
Of course you are correct Reuel. However, I believe that it is a commandment to us because as we are the priesthood, and since the temple is destroyed we should cover our heads. Yet, that is a commandment that is read into the scriptures because of circumstances and because of what Yohshuah HaMoshiach said on a different subject.
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Aug 8, 2004 11:30:42 GMT -8
I don't have a problem with my brother's wearing a kippah as it is not a sin. I believe the passage in which Sha'ul (Paul) speaks of a man not to cover his head because it would be shameful is in regards to praying, or prophesying in the congregation setting (as this is the context of the passage)...
"Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head." - 1Corinthians 11:4
I also believe that this passage of covering of one's head in which Sha'ul speaks of deals with a garment that actually drapes down over ones head from the top to the bottom (much like a woman's head covering). If this is true, than the kippah would not fall into this classification as it covers a very small portion of the head, and by no means does it cover the whole head.
The reason I do not wear a kippah is because there is no scriptural admonition to do so. Although, I would most likely do this if I attended a local synagogue in which this was the custom, and the teaching of the rabbi. Does any body have any objections to what I have stated?
B'Shem Yeshua HaMashiach,
Reuel
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Post by N2Messiah on Dec 20, 2004 12:43:24 GMT -8
Shallom All,
The context of the scripture is wearing things that culturally define men/women. One of the things that I noticed is the uniform that the Sons of Aaron were to wear. The KJV calls them bonnets the 1901 ASV head-tires the LITV "turban of the caps" and the 1917 JPS Exodus 39:28 "and the mitre of fine linen, and the goodly head-tires of fine linen, and the linen breeches of fine twined linen, " - migbaah is the word used.
I'm a goy and don't wear them except on vacation in florida (Ohr Chadish) congregations where it appears that everyone does...no need to stumble anyone on this point.
I don't know of any scripture that says that anyone else should (or for that matter should not) wear a head covering in congregation.
I suspect that those who would be offended would be mostly non-Jewish.
I personally like it when Jewish folks wear kippah and tallis in congregation
Alvin
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Post by R' Y'hoshua Moshe on Dec 21, 2004 17:32:26 GMT -8
Shalom, and welcome back New2Messiah!
I agree, some people fear what they don't understand. I don't mind someone wearing a kippah. I believe that the kippah is a beautiful cultural expression of the people of G'd.
Although, it is interesting to note that the kippah custom was taken from the practice of Roman servants, or slaves wearing a head covering/cap while free men went bare-headed. Because of the destruction of The Temple and the scattering of Israel, Rabbinical Judaism did not see themselves as free, and decided to teach the wearing of what we know as the "kippah". I don't know if I agree with this interpretation, or not. Yes, we are free in Messiah, but we are also slaves to righteousness. Also, why was this not the proper expression after the destruction of the previous Temple? Furthermore, will religous Jews cease to wear kippah when the next Temple is built?
Any thoughts?
Reuel
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Post by Tzav_laTzav on Jan 26, 2007 7:10:34 GMT -8
I don't wear kippot, but I am somewhat drawn toward wearing a smaller, more feminine version of one at times. I have seen some intended for women.
Although I wear hats even in the office during winter, I am not convinced regarding the idea that women should cover their hair or heads -- that this is anything more than tradition. Admittedly, I have not studied it, however.
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Post by Seeker2 on Jan 27, 2007 13:27:07 GMT -8
Greetings to you Mrs. Tzav! Its going to be nice having you around I can tell already....Welcome! I am in my 30's, and I have been looking at the issue of headcoverings too. I thought, well...,maybe I should just wear one "just in case" because really I think It may have been a cultural issue/tradition. Truly, I dont wish to wear a hat or anything on my head because I never have and I find it bothersome and annoying.(not to mention that my hair will be messed up when I take the thing off!) I will continue to study the issue, so if you have any more ideas, let me know! b
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Post by Tzav_laTzav on Jan 27, 2007 20:05:13 GMT -8
Wow! What a nice thing to say! Thank you! I must warn you that I am not a teacher, though. I love to study the Bible, love to learn, love that Book like no other, but I'm just not a teacher. -- Just mouthy at times!
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Post by Pawn of Potential on Jun 23, 2007 19:39:59 GMT -8
Heh, I did visit a synagogue and was shocked when I saw women wearing kippahs, but I don't think I'm ready to wear one, I mean, I just got a tallit and am adjusting to praying under that. Besides, I think Kippah wearing is a guy thing.
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Post by Seeker2 on Jun 24, 2007 13:14:26 GMT -8
I am not opposed to wearing a headcovering, but to be honest, I dont know HOW. NO one does at my congregation (except the men wear kippahs). Do you wear it the whole time, or just during the reading and prayer??? Do you wear it during praise and worship? What kind of headcovering do you wear ladies? (Would a ball hat with ISREAL ARMY do??? If you wear a scarf, wouldnt it fall off easily if you were moving around alot? Maybe someone could describe what and how to wear a woman's headcovering??
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