7 Day Adventist Church

[Sean]

Shalom all

The 7 Day Adventists seem to be gunning for me. They are horrified at our messianic teachings and in my debates with their leadership recently I could not help but notice a very strong anti-semitic attitude.

I think that they are determined to drag my congregation from the very jaws of hell

I was wondering if anyone on this forum had a 7DAV backround, so that perhaps you could shed some light on what they believe.

regards
Sean

[Mark]

Hi Sean,

The Seventh Day Adventist platform includes Replacement Theology: that the Christian Church has replaced national Israel. Very often they believe that the Messianic believer is a good prospect for them because of the obvious similarities in lifestyle. Yet, they don't understand the powerful commitment of Covenant relationship and the invariability of Adonai's commitment to His chosen people.

Jeremiah 31:31-37 is a good starting place when you wish to confront them with your differences.

Mark

[Sean]

Thanks, the explains the anti semitism. These people are arrogant, and of course they hold a string of degrees, which makes them even worse
I'll see what they come up with on that one, although I can already imagine what it's going to be.

Sean

[veggirl]

Sean,
There are a lot of x7 Day Adventists that are now Messianic's , its wonderful what Adonai is doing in that place.
I just met 12 of them this past sabbath I could not believe it,.

[lawrenceofisrael]

Yes that´s absolutely right veggirl.
We should not give up about anyone because it seems to be impossible to bring him to the truth and light. If God had given me up when i was getting drunk every weekend and smoking weed before school lessons i wouldn´t be what i am today.
We´ve got quite a lot sects in Hamburg (obviously, it´s a huge city) and i know dozens of islamic, christian, agnostic sects.
But i think its better than if they were purely atheist because at least they are willing to engage in a debate and because the truth is with me and the bible has better arguments in the end they´ll either convert or have to admit they´re not honest to themselves.
Brother Sean just keep up debating them and showing the best biblical behaviour towards them and we might greet some new brothers and sisters soon.

May peace and blessings be upon you.

[bryce]

There has been a lot of debate in xian circles as to whether the SDA church is a cult. What do you guys know about that? I've just started looking into it and I don't have an idea.

[veggirl]

bryce,

I don't think the SDA church is a cult, my kids attend a SDA school an I work at the school and I am NOT SDA.
I have not seen anything odd.
They do not keep to there selfs at all, they are out in the community helping people, so maybe this would not be a cult.
I can see why some may think this, because they do believe that Yeshua is Michael, and some don't eat meat.. They all keep kosher and the sabbath and are very much into the end times.

2 sabbaths a ago I spend some time with a lot of xSDA, they are messinaic now but not the same messianic I am,, they call there selfs Ephraimites 2 house.
We have embraced the bible and first fruit of zion,, MBI.

I don't think anyone has it all right,, we have to do our very best for our lord...

Peace&love Bri'gette

PS:
Cult:
noun 1. a particular system of religious worship, esp. with reference to its rites and ceremonies.
2. an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, esp. as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult.
3. the object of such devotion.
4. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.
5. Sociology. a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols.
6. a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader.
7. the members of such a religion or sect.
8. any system for treating human sickness that originated by a person usually claiming to have sole insight into the nature of disease, and that employs methods regarded as unorthodox or unscientific.

This is the Definition I found for cult, there are many more Definitions..

[fireshifter]

I have a lot of thoughts spinning around on this so forgive me if it's disjointed.

I was raised SDA and went to SDA schools for 12 years and was destined to go to an SDA college before I decided it was time to strike out on my own and move to a state 1500 miles away from my family (moved NOT because of the spiritual aspect, just because I was young and adventurous).

I have a very deep and loving place in my heart for SDAs as individual members. There are so many varying degrees of church styles under the umbrella of SDA. Some of my extended family go to a church where the pastor condemns clapping. My parents belong to a church that has a HUGE community outreach for the homeless, a community garden for the homeless, a place for them to shower, AA meetings, clothing, etc. The pastor there is also always pushing the envelope to get SDAs out of their comfort zone and out in the community. Some friends of mine go to an SDA church in Nebraska that <gasp> drinks coffee (SDAs have long shunned caffeine, calling it a drug). All of these people I know at these churches have amazing loving hearts and have been open and including to (hubby and I) even though I no longer have official ties to the church.

BUT, I think that deep down in the doctrines of the church, things get difficult. I don't know a whole lot but one time I asked my mom if she thought Grandma was praying for my salvation because I was no longer SDA (though I was a salvation accepting Christian during that time). She said that probably, though Grandma would never say it, she was praying something like that. SDAs consider themselves the remnant church and "chosen". Honestly, I never really paid attention during Bible classes to figure out how they got that. I didn't "get" my salvation through Bible classes either, that came later when I tried to destroy myself and was held up in the arms of three incredible non-SDA Christians who vowed to help me see God's love for me.

What I came away from the SDA church with is a genuine love for the Sabbath, the rest that God set up for us, that he sanctified a day for us to restore our hearts and minds. I didn't come away with the legalism (though I have a bitter taste from it) or the idea that SDAs are the "saved" people. It was the Sabbath. The Sabbath is what's led me to this place as well and what keeps me pursuing truth (although at a hobbling pace, distracted by little kids all day).

I also was blessed by the SDAs that they do focus more on Old Testament stories and ideas than any of the other churches I've been a part of. From early childhood, I remember hearing many stories of Old Testament people so Noah wasn't just an ark with animals on the wall at church school, David wasn't just a guy that wrote a really long book, etc. Also, if I would have listened more in school, I probably would have had a LITTLE more understanding of Daniel's prophesies even though it would have been from an SDA perspective, I would have been familiar.

SDAs have a HUGE HUGE missionary base, I've heard that it's one of the biggest in the world. They also do a lot of neighborhood compassing to "bring people to Christ." Because of this, it'll be rare a person that hasn't met or been in contact with an SDA. Unfortunately, a lot of people think they're Mormon because they get SDA mixed up with LDS

I don't know if any of this helps but since I have background, I just thought I should share.

Jen D.

[veggirl]

Hello Jen
Thank you for the post..

I use to be a mormon, and never got it mixed up with SDA,
I didn't even know who they were until 2008 when I found them online, I was looking for a christian school for my kids one who believe's in sabbath and are veggie eaters and then I found them..

Most SDA I know are either SDA or 2 house messianic but still are vegans ...
I am not any house!!!

Ya know I do understand your post very well, even know I am not SDA and never have been for some reason I am well liked there maybe because I work in the school or I Volunteer a lot. They have never said anything about me being Messianic ..

There is one girl there, her and I didn't get a long much shes all tattooed and so am I , I was really thinking we would get a long better and shes been SDA for 5years,, but out of all the people we just didn't get along,, I do like her in the lord !! Shes came a long ways...
I kind of can see why people want to join a big church ,, so they can get help no matter what they teach..
but we all will have to stand before our living God , and once that happens ,, its to late being a sale out is bad news...

Ok peace ~ bri'gette

[alon]

I worshiped for a short time with an Adventist church. They were good people, but there were some doctrines that bothered me. They wouldn't talk much about it, but I got that they believed they were part of some grand pyramid scheme for gods. They'd get a planet to rule and sign up more little gods who were their line, but still part of their own god's upline type of thing.

They also relied way too much on modern day prophecy for my tastes.

I didn't get the anti-Semitism thing from them, but wasn't there long either (few weeks) so who knows. If I'd have got that, we'd have parted with a clear understanding and break of fellowship.

Dan C

[R' Y'hoshua Moshe]

They'd get a planet to rule and sign up more little gods who were their line, but still part of their own god's upline type of thing

This sounds like Mormanism....I have never heard this of the 7th Day Adventists

Shalom,

R' Reuel

[alon]

Mar 20, 2013 21:11:12 GMT -8 R' Y'hoshua Moshe said:

They'd get a planet to rule and sign up more little gods who were their line, but still part of their own god's upline type of thing

This sounds like Mormanism....I have never heard this of the 7th Day Adventists

Shalom,

R' Reuel

Like I said, they didn't talk about it. But an Adventist friend left some materials out on an end table while I was there, and being a curious sort ...

Now the Mormons will talk about it some if you ask them, but they aren't too comfortable with telling you either. I've never been to a Mormon church, and have no intention of ever crossing the threshold of one, though I do have Mormon friends; but I do love to argue with the Mormon missionaries. Sadly, I think I made their list of "the hopelessly doomed" and they won't come here any more.

Dan C

[Yedidyah]

Sadly, I think I made their list of "the hopelessly doomed" and they won't come here any more.

Dan C

My neighbor is a Mormon and after my last talk with the door to door missionaries they told her I was black listed since I was Jewish and would not listen to their teaching. I listened then told them the flaws in it. We had some of the Jehovah's Witness come by a few Shabbats ago right before we left for Synagogue and they asked my wife if we were interested and she replied that she we were Messianic Jewish and the guy stepped back and asked if we keep the Passover, she replied yes. He turned around and walked away saying sorry for wasting your time. It was interesting none the less.

[yiska]

Mar 20, 2013 22:03:18 GMT -8 Yedidyah said:

Sadly, I think I made their list of "the hopelessly doomed" and they won't come here any more.

Dan C

My neighbor is a Mormon and after my last talk with the door to door missionaries they told her I was black listed since I was Jewish and would not listen to their teaching. I listened then told them the flaws in it. We had some of the Jehovah's Witness come by a few Shabbats ago right before we left for Synagogue and they asked my wife if we were interested and she replied that she we were Messianic Jewish and the guy stepped back and asked if we keep the Passover, she replied yes. He turned around and walked away saying sorry for wasting your time. It was interesting none the less.

thanks for clearly that up, I was going to ask you a question and the Jehovah Witness. This pretty much answers my question.

[Frank T. Clark]

Mar 20, 2013 14:29:44 GMT -8 alon said:

They wouldn't talk much about it, but I got that they believed they were part of some grand pyramid scheme for gods. They'd get a planet to rule and sign up more little gods who were their line, but still part of their own god's upline type of thing.

Found this old discussion and thought I would comment. I am a lifetime fifth-generation Seventh-day Adventist for 60 years and I never heard of such a thing.