Yosef_m
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Post by Yosef_m on Oct 8, 2007 10:00:36 GMT -8
Shalom in the name of Yeshua HaMashiaj:
I am conducting a study on why catholicism (my former religion) is not only unbiblical, but quite posibly the sleeper of babylon spoken of in the book of revelations.
Also im trying to bring the Good news of Messiah to my catholic mother. And since she is a member of a missionary group called "Heraldos del Evangelio", which is a catholic group that trasmits the gospel of the apparitions of fatima.
So I was wandering what do you guys think of those aparisions, and if you have any material that would be helpfull in despoving them.
May Yeshua HaMashiaj bless you and keep you.
P.S. is you have some extra time, please pray so my mother will live her idolatrous was.
B´H´
Yosef
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Post by jimmie on Jun 3, 2010 8:16:34 GMT -8
Suggestive memory is very powerful. In police line ups if the victim is told that the perpetrator is in the line, about 70% will pick out a subject even though the real perpetrator isn’t in the lineup. With the apparitions of Mary you have a whole religious group that wants to see an apparition of Mary. If someone tells them here is one, they will see it. It’s not unlike what happened on the day our Lord was crucified. The multitude was expecting to have a prisoner released to them. The Jewish leaders suggested that Barabbas was the one that should be released. The people forgot what they has seen Jesus (Yeshua) do with their own eyes and replaced it with what their leaders were telling them. And made the wrong choice.
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Post by tonga on Jun 3, 2010 12:21:53 GMT -8
I never heard of this before, so I looked it up on line.
Call me suspicious, but I don't think I would take the word of
three kids from the turn of the century.
Other than the childrens testimony
is there any evidence in proving them?
I don't believe in this type of thing anyway, so it's easy for
me to dismiss them.
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Post by David Ben Yosef on Jun 12, 2010 23:26:15 GMT -8
I never heard of this before, so I looked it up on line. I had to look it up too. Call me suspicious, but I don't think I would take the word of three kids from the turn of the century. Me either. Especially after reading the account. There were a whole throng of others present, but only the three kids could see the vision. I'm not buying it. I don't believe in this type of thing anyway, so it's easy for me to dismiss them. I don't believe in ghosts either, so I'm right with you on that. Many so-called apparition sightings are easily explained. For instance, I watched a show which debunked a supposed house that was haunted. It turned out to be the electro-magnetic field that the electrical wiring of the house was creating. It caused humans to see apparitions under certain conditions. Those who actually believed in the apparitions saw them more frequently than those who didn't too. Shalom |
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Post by jimmie on Jun 22, 2010 10:11:27 GMT -8
tonga, David
It is no harder to believe three children seen something that noone else saw than it is to believe that Balaam’s ass seen the angle when Balaam himself did not. The appration of Mary at Fatima is just one of many many through the years. Catholics see her in things like chocolate spills, burnt toast, defective window pains add infinitum. It is entrained in them to look for her appearing. What seems silly to us, is a big deal to them.
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Post by tonga on Jun 22, 2010 19:49:27 GMT -8
tonga, David It is no harder to believe three children seen something that noone else saw than it is to believe that Balaam’s ass seen the angle when Balaam himself did not. The appration of Mary at Fatima is just one of many many through the years. Catholics see her in things like chocolate spills, burnt toast, defective window pains add infinitum. It is entrained in them to look for her appearing. What seems silly to us, is a big deal to them. The Bible I believe....three kids, no. |
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Post by jimmie on Jun 23, 2010 9:12:16 GMT -8
Tonga,
Psa 8:2 Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the avenger.
Matt 21:16 And said unto him, Hearest thou what these say? And Jesus saith unto them, Yea; have ye never read, Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou hast perfected praise?
To dismiss one of their signs because it comes from the mouth of babes, is to easily refuted by them with the miss application of the scripture.
The apparition of Mary at Fatima is just one of many as I have been trying to tell you. Some apparitions are collaborated to by adults and crowds. Are you willing to investigate the ones at Beauraing, Banneux, Syracuse, Guadalupe, Paris, Rome, La Salette, Lourdes, Pontmain, Pellevisin, Gretrzuald, Knock, add infinitum and render your option as to why each should be dismissed? Our time is to valuable to do that. Instead a broad approached must be taken. 2 Cor 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. We must be able to show that these sign’s that the catholics are so found of seeking are in fact from Satan and not God. And we need to be able to tell them that to seek such signs is wickedness.
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Post by tonga on Jun 23, 2010 12:13:10 GMT -8
Tonga, Psa 8:2 Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the avenger. Matt 21:16 And said unto him, Hearest thou what these say? And Jesus saith unto them, Yea; have ye never read, Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou hast perfected praise? To dismiss one of their signs because it comes from the mouth of babes, is to easily refuted by them with the miss application of the scripture. The apparition of Mary at Fatima is just one of many as I have been trying to tell you. Some apparitions are collaborated to by adults and crowds. Are you willing to investigate the ones at Beauraing, Banneux, Syracuse, Guadalupe, Paris, Rome, La Salette, Lourdes, Pontmain, Pellevisin, Gretrzuald, Knock, add infinitum and render your option as to why each should be dismissed? Our time is to valuable to do that. Instead a broad approached must be taken. 2 Cor 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. We must be able to show that these sign’s that the catholics are so found of seeking are in fact from Satan and not God. And we need to be able to tell them that to seek such signs is wickedness. Because it's hard to tell from these forums, just thought I would mention I am not a Messianic or Christian. I don't accept these types of sightings and I don't believe they are from G-d or Satan. I believe any and all of them can be explained away, just like UFO sightings, alien sightings, bigfoot sightings...to me they are in the same class as that. Are Catholics the only group of Christians that believe in these type of apparitions? |
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Post by jimmie on Jun 23, 2010 14:05:15 GMT -8
tonga,
You are Jewish right? I think that the apparition are very similar to what happened to Saul:
I Sam 16:23 And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him.
God gave leave to the evil spirit to come upon Saul because of his disposition of not serving God. I think God gives leave to evils spirits to appear to catholics because of their disposition of wanting to venerate Mary instead of God. The same could be said about UFO’s, aliens, bigfoot etc. If you ever run across a book titled “UFO’s Mission Impossible” it makes for good reading. It claims that the clinical pathology of subjects that claim to have been abducted by aliens is the same as those claiming demon possession.
Eastern orthodox are also big into apparitions. Lutheran and Episcopalian not so much but some.
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Post by zionlion on Aug 14, 2010 11:09:23 GMT -8
But what about the Loch Ness monster? I'm convinced it exists. A lady once told me that she'd seen it in broad daylight. And I know she wouldn't lie to me. She's the most honest mermaid I've ever known.  |
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Post by tonga on Aug 15, 2010 12:26:43 GMT -8
But what about the Loch Ness monster? I'm convinced it exists. A lady once told me that she'd seen it in broad daylight. And I know she wouldn't lie to me. She's the most honest mermaid I've ever known. I'm a little partial to Big Foot myself, since he is supposed to be stomping around our neck of the woods.  |
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Post by zionlion on Aug 15, 2010 16:28:44 GMT -8
He's probably camping out with D.B. Cooper. |
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