Messiah's Role

[Mark of the Scarlett Thread]

According to all the prophecies, I am convinced that Yeshua is the promised Messiah. But an answer I never got was "who" is the Messiah? You might say, "What do you mean who is the Messiah?" Yeshua is the Messiah. Yes, I know that but "who" was this Yeshua?

1) Was Messiah God himself? If so, then please explain this statement that I read in your beliefs section of this website:

"We believe it is only proper to pray to YHVH (G-d). One may not pray to anyone or anything
else."

2) Or was the Messiah a messenger of G-d and G-d used Him as the sacrificial Lamb so that our sins would be forgiven. In the New Testament .. it describes how all authority is now given unto Him from G-d.

3) Or when we live the life that Messiah taught us, we know that we worship G-d because Yeshua said "If you wish to enter into eternal life, keep the commandments." Yeshua did magnify these commandments, however "some" Christians teach that the commandments have been "done away" with, that is was all nailed to the cross.


4) Yeshua tells us many times "worship the L-rd your G-d" and He keeps referring to His "heavenly Father".


Note: I am not trying to make any point here that Yeshua is or is not G-d. I am just looking for clarifications and I wrote what I understand. So please help me out on this vital topic. Thanks.

[Pioneer]

wonderer said:

According to all the prophecies, I am convinced that Yeshua is the promised Messiah. But an answer I never got was "who" is the Messiah? You might say, "What do you mean who is the Messiah?" Yeshua is the Messiah. Yes, I know that but "who" was this Yeshua?

1) Was Messiah God himself? If so, then please explain this statement that I read in your beliefs section of this website:

"We believe it is only proper to pray to YHVH (G-d). One may not pray to anyone or anything
else."

2) Or was the Messiah a messenger of G-d and G-d used Him as the sacrificial Lamb so that our sins would be forgiven. In the New Testament .. it describes how all authority is now given unto Him from G-d.

3) Or when we live the life that Messiah taught us, we know that we worship G-d because Yeshua said "If you wish to enter into eternal life, keep the commandments." Yeshua did magnify these commandments, however "some" Christians teach that the commandments have been "done away" with, that is was all nailed to the cross.


4) Yeshua tells us many times "worship the L-rd your G-d" and He keeps referring to His "heavenly Father".


Note: I am not trying to make any point here that Yeshua is or is not G-d. I am just looking for clarifications and I wrote what I understand. So please help me out on this vital topic. Thanks.

Shalom,
You might try a search for Dr. Roy Blizzards "Who is Jesus".
It is one of the best explainations around.

The trinity is about "Half right" and if half right, what is the other half?

I ask you, what was going on in heaven while God walked with us and died on the cross, and if dead, who was left to raise him from the dead? And years ago I heard the saying "God is dead."

All of this causes me to doubt!
But when you do not add to what is written, God was in heaven looking out for business, while his "sent one", walked the earth and died, then God raised him just as it is written.

God has placed his son in a place and position worthy of praise, but did Yeshua ever tell us to pray to him?
Ask in his name, but never did he suggest we to do anything like that until he comes in "His Glory."
Just the ramblings of an old man.

Shalom

[Seeker2]

I was brought up to think more in terms of the trinity which I put in context of something like a marriage between the three....You know, mom and dad are separate but both parents with dad having the official last word, but both equal. (G-d being the father).Although they were separate, they were one (in purpose, authority, etc.) I have recently (on this site I think although I've done alot of reading lately) heard a better "real world" analogy: If G-d is the Mediterranian Sea, Yeshua may be compared to a glass of water removed from there temporarily. He was wholly the sea, but only a part at the same time. When it was all said and done, He returned to the whole. G-d being so vast could come to us no other way! I know this is elementary but it helped me.

[Chizuk Emunah]

Shalom MOST,
Let me try to answer your questions.

1)No, certainly not.
2)Yes, Mashiach is most certainly a righteous individual used by HaShem.
3)Keep in mind that Mashiach taught nothing new. All that he taught can be found in the . And the most certainly has not been done away with (as is commonly taught in Christian circles).

Hope that clears things up for you!

Shavua Tov,
Natanel

[R' Y'hoshua Moshe]

Shalom "Mark of the Scarlett Thread",

I would say that there is a slight difference of opinion regarding question #1. Yes, I would say he is directly apart of the being we call "Elohim". How that is possible is up for debate...and we have discussed it on a few threads here on the forums.

"We believe it is only proper to pray to YHVH (G-d). One may not pray to anyone or anything
else."

Yeshua Himself says that we should pray to our Heavenly Father in His name. And, praying to anyone else is idolatry.

2) Or was the Messiah a messenger of G-d and G-d used Him as the sacrificial Lamb so that our sins would be forgiven. In the New Testament .. it describes how all authority is now given unto Him from G-d.

Yes, all authority has been given to Him. Yeshua and Messiah is described as "the arm of YHVH". Is not the Arm Of YHVH part of His being? Yeshua is an integral part of Elohim.

Please check out the following threads :

theloveofgod.proboards3.com/index.cgi?board=messianic&action=display&n=1&thread=69

theloveofgod.proboards3.com/index.cgi?board=messianic&action=display&n=1&thread=85

Any further discussion on this subject should take place on the already existing threads.

In the name of Yeshua our King,

Reuel