ACHARIT HaYAMIM[End-Time] Signs Prophecy Fulfilled

[Kallah]

Beloved Mispochah: B"H
Interest in End-time Signs prophecy was communicated to me by Achot HaTorah. Per the advisement of ach Reuel, the most appropriate forum to start the thread, was in (already established) forum category labeled, "Messianic Eschatology, and Theology" of the Ha Ahavah El-him website.

The ongoing occurences in Eretz Yisrael, we can agree is prophecy being fulfilled. However, are these merely End-time signs, or are we living in the End-time era? May we reason together in ahavah(love) and shalom(peace) of Yeshua; to examine Scripture and discuss our observations. b'ahavah Yeshua, Kallah

Sefer Hisgalus (Book of Apocalypse; The Revelation). The only sefer in Scripture that speaks a blessing upon all who read it... "Ashrey (Blessed )is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of hanevu'ah(the prophecy), and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand." Sefer Hisgalus {Book of the Revelation 1:3}

[Yochanah]

Malachi 1:6-7 tells us His Name is defiled by the leaders, not the people who wish to exalt it. The scribes and Pharasees took the Name away from the people because they felt the people couldn't be trusted with something so sacred.

Matthew 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in (call upon His Name) yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in (want to call upon His Name).

The World Book Encyclopedia tells us that the title "the LORD" means Baal.

Jeremiah 23:27 tells us that the priests would replaced the Set-apart Name of the Most High with the pagan name of BAAL, i.e. the LORD.

Proverbs 30:4 asks us if we know His name and the name of His Son?

Psalm 68:4 tells us that His name is YAH. And that we are to exalt His Name and sing praises to it.

How can we exalt something we are told by men not to use?

[Yochanah]

John 5:43 tells us that the Son came in His Father's name. So His Name is used whenever we call upon His Son's Name, or use the phrase HalleluYAH, or EliYah, or JerimiYah, etc. His name was not taken from the people. It was only an attempt by men, through Satan's instigation, to pervert His Name.

2 Thess. 2:10-12 tells us that Elohim will give those up to beleive a lie that do not have a love for the truth.

Hosea 4:6 tells us His people perish for lack of knowledge.

Most on this forum know that the Son's name is Yeshua...YAH will save!

Yeshua told His disciples that the Pharasees were blind guides concentrating on the small (knat) but overlooking the great (camel) matters of the Law (His principles). Matt. 23:24

His Son told His followers not to follow the Pharasees as they would lead them into a ditch. Matt. 15:14

Titus 1:13-16 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

Mark 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

[Yochanah]

The Name of the Most High has been replaced with the blasphemous title of Baal (the Lord) over 6800 times throughout Scripture.

But it is written;

Zech. 14:9 And Yah shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Yah, and His name one.

Deut. 6:4 Shema Yisrael Yah Elohim Echad Yah.

Acts 3:21 tells us all divine matters will be restored before He comes.

Is there a reason we need to know His true Name now?

John 5:43 I am come in My Father's Name, and ye receive Me not:

Messiah said another will come using his own name, (the pagan name that was blasphemously attached to haMachiach since the 1500's when the letter "J" was first invented) and this one the world would follow.

[Yochanah]

Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Messiah said, "if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive." Who is it that is going to come in his own name?

Rev. 13:12-14
And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast (Rome) before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed (1798, the Pope was imprisoned and Rome was striped of her power by Napoleon's general). And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live (in 1929 Rome was given her power back when given independent country status by Mousillini, and all countries today bow and kiss the ring of the pope, including the US).

Rev. 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed:and all the world wondered after the beast.

Satan himself through the pope (Revelation 17) will impersonate Messiah and all the world will worship him thinking they are worshipping Messiah.

Isaiah 4:1 And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach. [translation = In the last days all (7) churches (women) shall become one faith (take hold one Man) only they will beleive their own doctrines (bread) and wear their own self-righteousness (apparel) but they will go by the name of Christian (thy name) to hide their wickedness.]

So "another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive"..."and all the world wondered after the beast."

Is it important what name we call upon?

Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance Elohim winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent.

Ahavah,
Yochanah

[R' Y'hoshua Moshe]

Shalom Yochanah

Much of what you have stated about the Father's name is true. Translaters have made a deliberate attempt to remove His name. As you have pointed out, where we see "L-RD", or "G-D" all capped...this is actually the name of the most high G'd when we look at the Hebrew. I would say when translators substitute a totally different word for the Most High's Name...this is taking away from the word of G'd which the itself prohibits. But, this can also be a divisive issue in the sense that there are those whom claim that they are the ones whom absolutely know how to pronounce (or spell) the Father's name. There are at least a half dozen ways that people are absolutely certain of the pronunciation of The Father's name. But, of course...they all can't be right.

So, my questions is...how can we honor the name of The Father if we don't know beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is indeed the correct name?? The only way that I can safely do this is recognize when I see the Hebrew characters that spell His name (Yod-Hey-Vav-Hey)...anything else would be presumption, and guess work. And, for us to divide the body of Messiah over presumption, and doubtful issues is not wise (Romans 14:1). Don't get me wrong, I am -not- saying that you are doing this. But, there are many in the "Holy Namers" movement that do this.

This understanding can also be applied to the name of The Son. -No where- in any of our ancient documents in regards to Yeshua do we see that His name is spelled; "Yeshua". Although, knowing that it is almost identical to the Biblical name of Joshua (Yahowshuwa), most scholars agree that His name was probably not spelled, "Yeshua", but something closer to "Yeshua". I am not absolutely sure, so this is why I spell it "Yeshua". When the scriptures says that He came in His Father's name, this does not necessarily mean that He came with His Father's name spelling. Understood in it's proper context, and culture, it meant that He came in His Father's authority, just as when we pray in Yeshua's name we are praying in His authority.

I would like to say that I have read Lew White's book on these subjects, and many other works similiar to his book. And, I would say that we should read such literature with caution as they represent guess work (at best) in many cases. For example, take the word "Baal". Now, (I am sure that you know) if Baal is to be taken as the actual name of a false god...it should not be translated, just as the names found in the scriptures should not be translated (as proper names should not be translated). We can see in this light that just as the name "Jesus" does not have the same meaning (does not mean the same) as "Yeshua" (or however one spells it)..."Baal" does not necessarily mean "L-RD".

Even the scriptures use the Hebrew word "Elohim" to describe false gods. Does this make the word "Elohim" a bad word to describe G'd? But, you understand that this is the logic being used. So, even if the word "baal" is being used, does it really always mean the actual false god. What does the word "baal" actually mean? Other than referring to the false god, it can mean a lord, a ruler, or "bread holder". Furthermore, could the word "L-rd" be translated from another source other than "baal"? Does "adonai" mean "Baal"?....No, but adonai does mean "L-rd". So, if our root of "lord" is "adonai", we don't have a problem at all.

This is not directed at you, but at the issue itself which I have seen become a major dividing issue in many Messianic Congregations...and it shouldn't be. I have actually seen congregations split over this issue. When this happens it is in perfect harmony with the plan of HaSatan. Not only this, but we need to be careful around Jewish non-believers as this will only serve to actually blaspheme the name of The Most High. One scripture to always remember when dealing with this subject is the following...

"I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name."
- Psalm 138:2

I believe this is significant because it is His Word that defines His name. If we truly keep His Word...this is how we will magnify His name.

I would say that if this is going to be a thread about The Name of G'd, and His Son...we should start another thread dedicated to this subject.

Shalom,

Reuel

[Frank T. Clark]

I consider this a very important subject on which I have written a web page. www.eeahooay.org/Eschatology/Eeahooay.html
It is unfortunately a topic on which I find myself in disagreement with my brothers of all faiths.

I don't think this is quite on topic in this thread "ACHARIT HaYAMIM[End-Time] Signs Prophecy Fulfilled". Perhaps a new thread needed to be started.

I agree with the basic thought that Jewish tradition seems to have decreed that the Sacred Holy Name is not to be used or spoken in apparent contradiction of the Scriptures. I have spent the latest years of my life unlearning the traditions of men which go against the Scriptures. That is how I found myself in more agreement with Messianic Judaism than the "Christian" churches.

I find myself in disagreement with one small point.

Yochanah said:

The World Book Encyclopedia tells us that the title "the LORD" means Baal.

Jeremiah 23:27 tells us that the priests would replaced the Set-apart Name of the Most High with the pagan name of BAAL, i.e. the LORD.

I do not approve of the substitution of "the LORD" for the Sacred Holy Name. I do not agree with the idea that a pagan god has been substituted. What the World Book Encyclopedia says is the opinion of the author. Saying one word means another is a tricky business.

For example: Lets say I have a book about race horses. in this book Secretariat is called "the HORSE". I could say "the HORSE" means Appaloosa. Well Appaloosa is a breed of horse but that doesn't make it "the HORSE".

Claiming something is so don't necessarily make it so no matter who claims it. Only God can be believed without question.

[R' Y'hoshua Moshe]

Welcome back Frank!

Good points. I think I will move this conversation to a seperate thread. All future posts on the subject of the Name of The Father, and The Son should be posted there:
theloveofgod.proboards3.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&n=1&thread=731

Shalom chaverim,

Reuel

[Yochanah]

Shalom Ach Reuel,
Thank you for your valuable thoughts on this issue. The name of this thread is Messianic Eschololgy and Theology and this issue fits all three. I agree this is not an issue that should divide. It is meant to inform and through knowledge bring the body closer together. May each reader be blessed with a clearer understanding of what He wants from His children, is my prayer.

However there is one last thing I would like to add. This is that the Most High left us witnesses, as He always does, as to what is His truth. When Moses asked Elohim, "Who shall I tell them sent me?" Elohim answered, "I AM that I AM, tell them I AM has sent you." I would be curious to know what the original text says. But if we are to beleive that the King James was perserve by Him, and I beleive we are, then according to Strong's KJV Exhaustive Concordance the words "I AM" is from "hayah", Hebrew #1961, hayah, haw-yaw'; a primitive root to "exist, i.e. be or become." YAH means the Ever Exiting One. Blessed is His name.
We know "ha" is "the" and therefore "Yah" is His name..."the Yah, that is the Yah, tell them the YAH has sent you." Woe unto the scribes and pharasees that took away from His word. "How do you say, 'We are wise, and the of Yah is with us? But look, the false pen of the scribe has worked falsehood." Jeremiah 8:8
When Elohim brought this to my attention I cried with praise and awe at His loving providential care and guidance. When Moses went to the people with word of their deliverance there was not doubt as to Who had sent Moses, they all knew that it was "the YAH" that had sent him. Psalm 68:4 is the other witness left for us that the Scriptures would give witness of itself; "Sing unto Elohim, sing praises to His name: extol Him that rideth upon the heavens by His name Yah, and rejoice before Him." He always leaves us witnesses that we need not be in error, unless we choose to be.
Whether we pronounce tamatoe or tomatoe, patatoe or potatoe, everyone knows what we mean. Whether His name is pronounced EEAHOOAY, YHVH, YHWH, Yod-Hey-Vav-Hey or YAH, [blessed be His name forever] it is all derived from the same YHWH and He will honor our commitment to follow Him rather than man's own devising.

I don't think we need another thread for the Name unless you, brother Reuel, want to move it so that those wanting to discuss it can and those sensitive to it will not be offended.
I shared the understanding that I have personally been brought to by my Savior. It is not meant as a contenious issue only as an enlightening one. May Yah our Elohim be honored and esteemed forever.

Ahavah Shalom,
Yochanah

[Yochanah]

Please forgive me posting this on this thread but I think we posted at the same time. I will move to the appropriate thread.

[Yochanah]

Dear Sister Kallah wrote, "are these merely End-time signs, or are we living in the End-time era? May we reason together in ahavah(love) and shalom(peace) of Yeshua; to examine Scripture and discuss our observations."

Amein! Elohim gave us prophecy that we would know where we are in time that our faith would be strenghtened with the knowledge of the infallibility of His Word, which is His Character. It is all about who (1 Kings 18:21) and how (1 Chron. 16:29) we worship.

Acts 3:21
And that He sends Yeshua Messiah, preappointed for you, whom heaven needs to receive until the times of restoration of all matters, of which Elohim spoke through the mouth of all His Set-apart prophets since of old.

The footnote in my translation says: "We are indeed living in exciting times. Yeshua is preparing His Bride, setting her apart and cleansing her by the washing of water by the Word (Rev.19:7-8, Eph. 5:26-27). He is restoring the True Worship which has been mixed with leaven, evil birds, the rotten, the darnel (lawlessness), as Yeshua prophesied and warned us about in Mt. 13:1-52. Indeed, He is opening our eyes and our understanding to see it all clearly (Mk. 8:25)."

Rev. 18:4 warns us to come out of false worship that we don't suffer from her plagues. This false worship includes, but is not limited to, the falsifying of His Name and that of His Son (Prov. 30:4), the restoration of His Law (teachings known as the ) and His Appointed Times (known as His Holy Days, Mal. 4:4). Many more such restorations are taking place all around us. As we search His Word, and trust in Him, He will continue to make these matters known to us (Joel 2:28). Sing praises to His Name, YAH! HalleluYah forever! We're going home soon! He promised the closing events would be rapid ones as the evil forces prepare for the final battle to win our souls;
"And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened." Matthew 24:22
Praise Him for His awesome and unmerited mercy and love. Amein.
We see restoration taking place but what events must still take place? What does Rev. 13:14-18 mean?


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[Curt]

Shalom Reuel,

It seems like this might be a good area to start the discussion because each of us are concerned with what will be happening in the end times.

Why don't we start by you giving an overview of the different events you expect to happen. It would help if you could do it along a time-line. Such as when 'all the nations will come against Jerusalem', when you expect the temple to be rebuilt, where is Jesus during these events, what state our the people on earth (I mean our they mortal or immortal), where is the one-thousand year period on the time-line, and anything more you may care to add.

I'm looking for any common ground there may be in what each of us believe.

[R' Y'hoshua Moshe]

Shalom Curt,

Sounds good. I will gather my thoughts. I will say that I believe many things will not be clear until prophecy actually is fulfilled.

Blessings,

Reuel

[Chizuk Emunah]

Hmm.... I know that Reuel was going to put together a time-line, and I hope he still does. I look forward to it.
Having recently come to the conclusion that these are indeed the acharit hayamim, I feel that it's appropriate to jump into this thread.
We know that the definite sign of the acharit haymim is that the name of the false Messiah will be revealed.
I won't get into specifics now because it's late, but I can tell you that based on what is written in the TaNaK and the Ketuvim Netzarim, the mystery that was hidden until the end of times has been revealed.

[R' Y'hoshua Moshe]

I try to shy away from timelines as prophecy usually proves the majority of them wrong in the long run. Although, feel free to share your thoughts.

Shalom,

Reuel