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Post by hakawa on Mar 27, 2022 4:13:43 GMT -8
Praise the Almighty Most High God, and His son Jesus. This points to Jesus even though it speaks of wisdom. Jesus is represented in the  so many times. He came down as God in the flesh, and God Himself was pierced like Zechariah 12:10 in the says. He saved us from sin. Proverbs 8:32-36 www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/16379/jewish/Chapter-8.htm 32 And now, my children, hearken to me, and fortunate are those who observe my ways. 33 Hearken to discipline and become wise, and do not put it to naught. 34 Fortunate is the man who listens to me to watch by my doors day by day, to watch the doorposts of my entrances. 35 For he who has found me has found life, and he has obtained favor from the Lord. 36 But he who sins against me robs his soul; all who hate me, love death." |
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Post by alon on Mar 27, 2022 4:50:42 GMT -8
Chabad is an Orthodox Jewish site, with a lot of really bad doctrine. However they are a good resource for things Jewish (like the feasts), so I typically don't remove links to their site. Just be aware of who they are when you go there.
Psalm 8 is about wisdom. When just looking at an excerpt it can sound like it is speaking of Yeshua, but that is not the case. Context is everything- read everything in context or bad doctrine can creep in and destroy you. Also parse out the word used for birth:
H2342 (Strong) חִיל חוּל chûl chı̂yl A primitive root; properly to twist or whirl (in a circular or spiral manner), that is, (specifically) to dance, to writhe in pain (especially of parturition) or fear; figuratively to wait, to pervert: - bear, (make to) bring forth, (make to) calve, dance, drive away, fall grievously (with pain), fear, form, great, grieve, (be) grievous, hope, look, make, be in pain, be much (sore) pained, rest, shake, shapen, (be) sorrow (-ful), stay, tarry, travail (with pain), tremble, trust, wait carefully (patiently), be wounded.
A lot of different connotations there, not all of them applicable to conception, or even creation. Wisdom usually comes with painful experience, and the Hebrew writers were very down to earth people who used their own experiences when they wrote. Their personality and feelings come out in their writings. So there is some allusion to a picture of childbirth there, but as an allegory and not as a statement of any manifestation of God (part of the Godhead) being "born" or created.
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Post by hakawa on Mar 27, 2022 6:22:11 GMT -8
I only use Chabad for my brother who "doesnt want to hear anything out of the bible, .org or .gov's only". Its a terrible translation. In regards to the scripture, Actually it's not out-of-context. It IS speaking of wisdom, but Jesus fits that description as well. All of the scriptures lead to Christ. There are so many things, "out-of-context" that are examples of Christ; Moses striking the rock, Abraham sacrificing the ram, the blood of the lamb put over the mantles of doors in Egypt. There are so many scriptures that are about Christ because they ARE Christ in Word. Everything in the testaments, is His flesh. This IS about Jesus. John 1:14 And that Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we saw the glory thereof, as the glory of the only begotten Son of the Father) full of grace and truth. Chabad is an Orthodox Jewish site, with a lot of really bad doctrine. However they are a good resource for things Jewish (like the feasts), so I typically don't remove links to their site. Just be aware of who they are when you go there.Psalm 8 is about wisdom. When just looking at an excerpt it can sound like it is speaking of Yeshua, but that is not the case. Context is everything- read everything in context or bad doctrine can creep in and destroy you. Also parse out the word used for birth:H2342 (Strong) חִיל חוּל chûl chı̂yl A primitive root; properly to twist or whirl (in a circular or spiral manner), that is, (specifically) to dance, to writhe in pain (especially of parturition) or fear; figuratively to wait, to pervert: - bear, (make to) bring forth, (make to) calve, dance, drive away, fall grievously (with pain), fear, form, great, grieve, (be) grievous, hope, look, make, be in pain, be much (sore) pained, rest, shake, shapen, (be) sorrow (-ful), stay, tarry, travail (with pain), tremble, trust, wait carefully (patiently), be wounded.
A lot of different connotations there, not all of them applicable to conception, or even creation. Wisdom usually comes with painful experience, and the Hebrew writers were very down to earth people who used their own experiences when they wrote. Their personality and feelings come out in their writings. So there is some allusion to a picture of childbirth there, but as an allegory and not as a statement of any manifestation of God (part of the Godhead) being "born" or created. |
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Post by alon on Mar 27, 2022 7:00:35 GMT -8
I only use Chabad for my brother who "doesnt want to hear anything out of the bible, .org or .gov's only". Its a terrible translation. In regards to the scripture, Actually it's not out-of-context. Who, if not Jesus is speaking? Surely not solomon. It says "By me kings reign, and princes decree justice." Solomon wasn't there before the Earth was. Jesus fits that description, though. Jesus IS the word. Everything in the testaments, is His flesh. This IS about Jesus. John 1:14 And that Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we saw the glory thereof, as the glory of the only begotten Son of the Father) full of grace and truth.
As a manifestation of God, Yeshua necessarily is God and exists perpetually as God before and after all creation.
If that wasn't your intent, I apologize and would ask that you clarify what you are saying.
edit: thanks for going back and cleaning that up. Makes it a lot clearer. |
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Post by hakawa on Mar 27, 2022 8:18:47 GMT -8
Jesus was, and always will be. I was just pointing out an example of Christ being in the . More evidence for non-believeing jews and more faith evidence of Christ's authenticity. I edited it for clarification. It still works. I only use Chabad for my brother who "doesnt want to hear anything out of the bible, .org or .gov's only". Its a terrible translation. In regards to the scripture, Actually it's not out-of-context. Who, if not Jesus is speaking? Surely not solomon. It says "By me kings reign, and princes decree justice." Solomon wasn't there before the Earth was. Jesus fits that description, though. Jesus IS the word. Everything in the testaments, is His flesh. This IS about Jesus. John 1:14 And that Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we saw the glory thereof, as the glory of the only begotten Son of the Father) full of grace and truth.
As a manifestation of God, Yeshua necessarily is God and exists perpetually as God before and after all creation.
If that wasn't your intent, I apologize and would ask that you clarify what you are saying. |
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so many times.
