Post by adathaqedoshim on Sept 14, 2021 6:22:27 GMT -8
Hi everyone, new poster here!
Been
observant for about a decade now, had fellowship with (or read up about) many different individuals and congregations but have sadly never really met anyone who really thinks alike.. was wondering if there was any like minded person here. The following is what usually makes me differ from others and sometimes has caused serious misunderstandings about my beliefs because alot of people seemingly never even give these issues thought:
* The Father and Son are seperate Heavenly beings (Dan 7:13, Matt 24:36) and the Ruah haQodesh (Holy Spirit although Ruah can also mean breath or wind depending on the context) is the Spirit of the Father which bestowes gifts such as wisdom or prophecy on the righteous (Ex 35:31, 1 Sam 11:6, 1 Sam 10:6), and is therefore clearly not something seperate.
So there is not just one being with two or three different manifestations but the all-knowing Father (1 Cor 15:27-28) above all including the Son and it is exclusively the Father whom we pray to and direct our worship. The Son on the other hand was known as the Malakh YHWH (Gen 18-19) and later became known as Ye(ho)shua' haMashiah after he was born as a human. One should ask himself if dropping the Spirit from the three trinitarian hypostasis and only retaining two out of three is according to Scripture. Because many actually do this without realising it and this is apparent by the usage of a Hebraized trinitarian term: "YHWH the Son". For the historic origins of this trinitarian phrase and its heretical roots, go to: God the Son - Wikipedia
Yeshua' haMashiah was also not merely human as some preach (he was while on earth actually, hence the half man half god belief many western sunday christians and messianics have is unbiblical and a very bad reflection of what the Gospel actually says) because he did pre-exist as the Malakh YHWH. The very high christology of Yohannan (John) his gospel clearly shows this belief is not Apostolic. Also in post-biblical history a group split off from the Nazarenes (Nazarene (sect) - Wikipedia) who were the Jerusalem mother congregation mentioned in Acts and later this splinter group called the Evionim (Ebionite | religious sect) changed certain Apostolic teachings including the rejection of Yeshua' having pre-existed and so they claimed he was "only a man".
* Only Genesis to Revelation is inspired and meant for teaching and reproof. Pharisaic (midrashim/talmud yerushalmi or bavli/qabbala/rabbinic commentaries/..) and sunday christian (the church father writings and onwards) writings are not seen as anything more than having historical value but not something that can determine how we understand the teachings of Scripture. (Deut 4:2) A perfect example is using trinitarian Augustine terminology and examples to understand the Father and Son. Or using pharisaic fables and the way they tend to stretch the meaning of Hebrew words.
(Tit 1:14)
* Pharisaic traditions that are of pagan origin (the talmud and qabbala are filled with heathenism), legalistic (not letting shabbat stop at sunset but only when three stars appear, tefillin, all prayers are proscribed, adding holy days, shaving married women's hair and wearing a wig instead, forbidding people born out of wedlock or incest of marrying someone who was born in a stable home, enforcing certain ways of dress, etc.) or are simply falsehood (the Hillel II calendar, teaching the citrus medica is the "fruit of a splendorous tree" for Sukkot, shifting the focus on the Maccabean revolt to a fictitious "miracle" that was simply made up for Hanukka, changing Purim into the pharisaic version of carnival including the binge drinking, etc.) are all to be reckoned as the "leavening of the pharisees" (Luk 12:1) and are not to be emulated or incorperated into the worship of YHWH.
* The Leviticus 23 Feasts (including the first one mentioned, the weekly shabbat from friday sunset to saturday sunset) are obligated on all those in the New Covenant. Hanukka and Purim are Judean traditions and it is everyone's own choice to celebrate these but they are not obligatory. But at the same rate if one is grafted in or a northern tribe Israelite whose forefathers did not join the Judean Kingdom, why would one celebrate traditional Judean feasts? Yet if someone really feels strongly about doing so, then why not look further than the Ashkenazi celebration of Hanukka & Purim? Mizrahi and Sepharadi Jews have a much more authentic and oriental culture and are therefore much closer to ancient Judean culture.
* Meat that is biblically "tame" (unclean) is prohibited in the New Covenant. What this means is that one should also avoid eating any foodstuff that contains one or more ingredients that are derived from unclean meat and these unclean ingredients are present in many forms. Blood of any land animal or bird is strictly forbidden. (Deut 12:16+25, Lev 17:10-14, Acts 15:20)
Certain types of fat are prohibited as well. The fat is limited to only three groups of sacrificial animals and certain types of fat including tail fat. (Lev 9:19, 8:16, 7:23-27) Both are prohibited since they are in the same chapters, dealing with the same topic (slaughter of animals for consumption) and are even in a single verse together: Lev 3:17.
* Replacement theology is the heretical opinion that believers in Yeshua' have replaced the physical Israelites and all promises and prophecies are for the ones who replaced physical Israel. Those believers don't need to be minority or even majority physical Israelite (and the ones who believe this usually don't even have an Israelite minority among them) cause they replaced them anyway. Usually this is only applied to Jews since they are the only group of Israelites known to most of the world. And so there are those who think they don't teach replacement theology if they don't claim they are Jews but are "Efraim/House of Israel" and then call Jews "brother Judah". This shows gross ignorance since not all modern Jews are from the ancient southern kingdom of Judah. And not all observant Israelites identify themselves as Jews today or in the past. The reality is that Assyrian Jews (Jews who used to live in Assyria which is erronously called "kurdistan" and therefore they are erronously called "kurdish Jews" or "kurdistani Jews") know and have always proclaimed until today that they are descendants of the northern tribes that went into exile to Assyria. They have always been distinct from the Babylonian Jews (aka Iraqi Jews) in Baghdad. Aside from Assyrian "Jews" there are the Samaritan-Israelites from the tribes of Ephraim and Menashe who never identified as Jews but always as Bene Israel from the tribes of Ephraim, Menashe and Lewi. And lastly the Syriac christians also proclaimed a Bene Israel identity until somewhere in the 19th century (before archeological findings confused most of them about their heritage) and they historically lived in the same villages as the Assyrian Jews. DNA has shown us today that these three groups are all part of a unique ancient Israelite cluster together with Baghdadi, Iranian and (non-ashkenazi) Georgian Jews. So to claim you are "Ephraim" is erasing these groups of people because there is no actual evidence (genetic or historical) that large groups of Israelites trecked from Assyria to places like Europe, Africa or Japan. And no "Ephraimite" group is part of the above mentioned Israelite DNA cluster.
That means that Europeans (including all countries where they went to and there either became dominant such as the USA or an important minority like South Africa), African-Americans, Igbo's, the Japanese, Pasthun and native Americans are NOT physical Israelites since they do not have any clear historical link with any of the Israelite ethnic groups mentioned above and DNA has completely debunked any such fantastic theories.
Disclaimer: The above does not pertain to the millions of western christians and some muslims (especially in Iraq and palestinian areas) who were forcefully converted from Phariseeism, Samaritanism or Syriac christianity long ago. Both in northern and southern Europe Jews were forced into catholicism and their descendants remain largely sunday christian until this day, they were called conversos or marranos before but anusim in Hebrew. Several palestinian families also know their forefathers used to be Samaritan.
What are your thoughts?
Regards
Been
observant for about a decade now, had fellowship with (or read up about) many different individuals and congregations but have sadly never really met anyone who really thinks alike.. was wondering if there was any like minded person here. The following is what usually makes me differ from others and sometimes has caused serious misunderstandings about my beliefs because alot of people seemingly never even give these issues thought:* The Father and Son are seperate Heavenly beings (Dan 7:13, Matt 24:36) and the Ruah haQodesh (Holy Spirit although Ruah can also mean breath or wind depending on the context) is the Spirit of the Father which bestowes gifts such as wisdom or prophecy on the righteous (Ex 35:31, 1 Sam 11:6, 1 Sam 10:6), and is therefore clearly not something seperate.
So there is not just one being with two or three different manifestations but the all-knowing Father (1 Cor 15:27-28) above all including the Son and it is exclusively the Father whom we pray to and direct our worship. The Son on the other hand was known as the Malakh YHWH (Gen 18-19) and later became known as Ye(ho)shua' haMashiah after he was born as a human. One should ask himself if dropping the Spirit from the three trinitarian hypostasis and only retaining two out of three is according to Scripture. Because many actually do this without realising it and this is apparent by the usage of a Hebraized trinitarian term: "YHWH the Son". For the historic origins of this trinitarian phrase and its heretical roots, go to: God the Son - Wikipedia
Yeshua' haMashiah was also not merely human as some preach (he was while on earth actually, hence the half man half god belief many western sunday christians and messianics have is unbiblical and a very bad reflection of what the Gospel actually says) because he did pre-exist as the Malakh YHWH. The very high christology of Yohannan (John) his gospel clearly shows this belief is not Apostolic. Also in post-biblical history a group split off from the Nazarenes (Nazarene (sect) - Wikipedia) who were the Jerusalem mother congregation mentioned in Acts and later this splinter group called the Evionim (Ebionite | religious sect) changed certain Apostolic teachings including the rejection of Yeshua' having pre-existed and so they claimed he was "only a man".
* Only Genesis to Revelation is inspired and meant for teaching and reproof. Pharisaic (midrashim/talmud yerushalmi or bavli/qabbala/rabbinic commentaries/..) and sunday christian (the church father writings and onwards) writings are not seen as anything more than having historical value but not something that can determine how we understand the teachings of Scripture. (Deut 4:2) A perfect example is using trinitarian Augustine terminology and examples to understand the Father and Son. Or using pharisaic fables and the way they tend to stretch the meaning of Hebrew words.
(Tit 1:14)
* Pharisaic traditions that are of pagan origin (the talmud and qabbala are filled with heathenism), legalistic (not letting shabbat stop at sunset but only when three stars appear, tefillin, all prayers are proscribed, adding holy days, shaving married women's hair and wearing a wig instead, forbidding people born out of wedlock or incest of marrying someone who was born in a stable home, enforcing certain ways of dress, etc.) or are simply falsehood (the Hillel II calendar, teaching the citrus medica is the "fruit of a splendorous tree" for Sukkot, shifting the focus on the Maccabean revolt to a fictitious "miracle" that was simply made up for Hanukka, changing Purim into the pharisaic version of carnival including the binge drinking, etc.) are all to be reckoned as the "leavening of the pharisees" (Luk 12:1) and are not to be emulated or incorperated into the worship of YHWH.
* The Leviticus 23 Feasts (including the first one mentioned, the weekly shabbat from friday sunset to saturday sunset) are obligated on all those in the New Covenant. Hanukka and Purim are Judean traditions and it is everyone's own choice to celebrate these but they are not obligatory. But at the same rate if one is grafted in or a northern tribe Israelite whose forefathers did not join the Judean Kingdom, why would one celebrate traditional Judean feasts? Yet if someone really feels strongly about doing so, then why not look further than the Ashkenazi celebration of Hanukka & Purim? Mizrahi and Sepharadi Jews have a much more authentic and oriental culture and are therefore much closer to ancient Judean culture.
* Meat that is biblically "tame" (unclean) is prohibited in the New Covenant. What this means is that one should also avoid eating any foodstuff that contains one or more ingredients that are derived from unclean meat and these unclean ingredients are present in many forms. Blood of any land animal or bird is strictly forbidden. (Deut 12:16+25, Lev 17:10-14, Acts 15:20)
Certain types of fat are prohibited as well. The fat is limited to only three groups of sacrificial animals and certain types of fat including tail fat. (Lev 9:19, 8:16, 7:23-27) Both are prohibited since they are in the same chapters, dealing with the same topic (slaughter of animals for consumption) and are even in a single verse together: Lev 3:17.
* Replacement theology is the heretical opinion that believers in Yeshua' have replaced the physical Israelites and all promises and prophecies are for the ones who replaced physical Israel. Those believers don't need to be minority or even majority physical Israelite (and the ones who believe this usually don't even have an Israelite minority among them) cause they replaced them anyway. Usually this is only applied to Jews since they are the only group of Israelites known to most of the world. And so there are those who think they don't teach replacement theology if they don't claim they are Jews but are "Efraim/House of Israel" and then call Jews "brother Judah". This shows gross ignorance since not all modern Jews are from the ancient southern kingdom of Judah. And not all
observant Israelites identify themselves as Jews today or in the past. The reality is that Assyrian Jews (Jews who used to live in Assyria which is erronously called "kurdistan" and therefore they are erronously called "kurdish Jews" or "kurdistani Jews") know and have always proclaimed until today that they are descendants of the northern tribes that went into exile to Assyria. They have always been distinct from the Babylonian Jews (aka Iraqi Jews) in Baghdad. Aside from Assyrian "Jews" there are the Samaritan-Israelites from the tribes of Ephraim and Menashe who never identified as Jews but always as Bene Israel from the tribes of Ephraim, Menashe and Lewi. And lastly the Syriac christians also proclaimed a Bene Israel identity until somewhere in the 19th century (before archeological findings confused most of them about their heritage) and they historically lived in the same villages as the Assyrian Jews. DNA has shown us today that these three groups are all part of a unique ancient Israelite cluster together with Baghdadi, Iranian and (non-ashkenazi) Georgian Jews. So to claim you are "Ephraim" is erasing these groups of people because there is no actual evidence (genetic or historical) that large groups of Israelites trecked from Assyria to places like Europe, Africa or Japan. And no "Ephraimite" group is part of the above mentioned Israelite DNA cluster.That means that Europeans (including all countries where they went to and there either became dominant such as the USA or an important minority like South Africa), African-Americans, Igbo's, the Japanese, Pasthun and native Americans are NOT physical Israelites since they do not have any clear historical link with any of the Israelite ethnic groups mentioned above and DNA has completely debunked any such fantastic theories.
Disclaimer: The above does not pertain to the millions of western christians and some muslims (especially in Iraq and palestinian areas) who were forcefully converted from Phariseeism, Samaritanism or Syriac christianity long ago. Both in northern and southern Europe Jews were forced into catholicism and their descendants remain largely sunday christian until this day, they were called conversos or marranos before but anusim in Hebrew. Several palestinian families also know their forefathers used to be Samaritan.
* The golden calf was not simply about idolatry but specifically syncretism. In fact most of the stern rebukes that the Israelites received from the Prophets were because of syncretism, because the majority was often on the one hand worshipping YHWH on the shabbatot and moa'dim but at the same time were also either worshipping other deities and observing their associated rituals and beliefs. Other times they were not worshipping the false deity explicitely yet still observing its associated heathen rituals and beliefs. So to be right with Elohim one should not be involved in any kind of heathen practices and should not even believe in such things. (Deut 18:9-12, 12:29-31)
This would also include fantastic folk tales, legends and superstitions that heathens have held on to even after becoming "christian" since for many it was only nominally for the most part. Although one should always guard himself not to go overboard and become "paganoid"! It isn't speech that is problematic but beliefs and practices. But if a certain phrase is actively wishing something ("merry christmas" since it is a christianized heathen feast or "mazzal tov" since this is based on superstitious beliefs about the constellations), that would be something which qedoshim (more on this name on my website adat-haqedoshim.weebly.com/) should not use amongst each other.
This would also include fantastic folk tales, legends and superstitions that heathens have held on to even after becoming "christian" since for many it was only nominally for the most part. Although one should always guard himself not to go overboard and become "paganoid"! It isn't speech that is problematic but beliefs and practices. But if a certain phrase is actively wishing something ("merry christmas" since it is a christianized heathen feast or "mazzal tov" since this is based on superstitious beliefs about the constellations), that would be something which qedoshim (more on this name on my website adat-haqedoshim.weebly.com/) should not use amongst each other.
* Tithing is not to be observed in the New Covenant as Paul clearly explains in Hebrews and is also gleaned by honestly putting all relevant verses together.
* Circumcision is not needed for men who are being grafted in. The opposite was demanded by insincere pharisees but the Apostolic council concluded that it was not to be asked of them since the grafted in brethren were allowed to continue to attend services and grow in the Faith without undergoing circumcision. Hence no one pressured Timoteos (Timothy) to get circumcised, Paul only did so for cultural reasons so it wouldn't become a stumbling block. Baptism is the New Covenant circumcision for adult men. (Col 2:11, Acts 15:19-21/16:3)
What are your thoughts?
Regards
