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Post by mystic on Jul 17, 2021 4:40:16 GMT -8
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Post by alon on Jul 17, 2021 5:42:11 GMT -8
If "scripture shows otherwise," why would I believe they will have any part in the olam ha'ba? And if God calls it an abomination, why would I say it is ok? Why would I "accept" their behavior? The truth is that to say different is to insult the Almighty and to possibly see them condemned at the judgement.
To answer the question about accepting them in my congregation, the answer is absolutely not. Why subject our children to the possibility of their being seduced or molested? Especially today when homosexuals are growing more militant, shouting warnings that they are coming for our children?
I know you have a special case to deal with. That is a tough call. I have 2 cousins who are gay, and they've asked and I told them straight up they will not make it. But in your case I am not qualified to tell you how to handle the question. However this is one of those times I am going to have to come across as absolute or judgmental. To take the easy route and tell you different would not be doing you any favors. If he (or anyone) is engaging in homosexual behavior of any kind, it is wrong.
I'll read the articles soon as I get the chance. But I doubt they will change my mind.
For your viewing displeasure:
www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/gay-group-well-convert-your-children-lgbt/
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Post by mystic on Jul 17, 2021 8:28:57 GMT -8
To answer the question about accepting them in my congregation, the answer is absolutely not. Why subject our children to the possibility of their being seduced or molested? Especially today when homosexuals are growing more militant, shouting warnings that they are coming for our children?
That is news to me. I haven't been following protests but it's surprising and disturbing hearing this I must say. Those articles doesn't change my mind as I see the scriptures for what it is but thing is where does the love thy neighbor part factor to into this regarding Church services? Like a Prostitute attending church, I have to wonder shouldn't she be allowed to when there is a chance that one day she might convert? If not allowed to do so then she may not have any chance at all. |
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Post by alon on Jul 17, 2021 13:31:45 GMT -8
There is a huge difference in accepting them into our congregations and allowing them to attend services. Even just allowing them to attend can be problematic.
The synagogue I used to attend had a "Synagogue of the Freedmen" (Acts 6:9); a place for ex convicts, homosexuals, street people, and anyone whose lifestyle or circumstances might have messed them up mentally could go. They could fellowship, worship, and hear the word taught. Jerusalem had many synagogues, and the Synagogue of the Freedmen had Jews who once had been slaves or prisoners of Rome and who'd came to Jerusalem after being freed. Slaves and prisoners of Rome were often subjected to sexual abuse. That could mess up a person's mind. So these people could go to the Synagogue of the Freedmen and worship freely without the exposure of children and/or new believers to possible abuse or seduction themselves. That is one possible solution. Another (if you can't do that) is to monitor them closely and if they do not show definite signs of trying, of regeneration of the Ruach, then invite them to leave.
This may sound harsh, but think about it; we must be compassionate, but we must be so universally. We do not put one group, especially the innocent at risk in order to show compassion to another group. That said, setting up another service for them shows compassion to everyone on a whole new level!
edit: guess I should add that some kind of professional help might be advisable for anyone with severe issues as part of their mandate to participate.
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Post by mystic on Jul 18, 2021 5:46:19 GMT -8
This may sound harsh, but think about it; we must be compassionate, but we must be so universally. We do not put one group, especially the innocent at risk in order to show compassion to another group. That said, setting up another service for them shows compassion to everyone on a whole new level!
No it's not harsh. Yes as is norm you are on schedule putting my thoughts into words. I remember back in the 90s I was hanging out with some friends of mine and a gay person came around and was looking at me and smiling and the feeling was oo uncomfortable I did not know how to react as I did not want to offend that person. I guess I don't mind mind being among gay people as long as they don't make any advances towards me in any way but of course I certainly understand what you are saying about their possible influence on others especially the young. This is a tricky situation and an individual's call I think. |
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