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Post by mystic on May 25, 2021 3:41:27 GMT -8
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Post by alon on May 25, 2021 12:32:55 GMT -8
I would disagree with his conclusions. You can find similarities in many historical events, however there are far, fr more differences in the biblical account and his historical research. The chief difference is he attributes the exodus to Moses lust for power and a bunch of mercenaries instead of to God. His evidence for these mercenaries in he biblical account is that at least some who left in the Hebrew train were armed. This is more than a small leap, since the Hebrews despoiled the Egyptians and would have wanted weapons if leaving and traveling through hostile lands. So part of the spoils they took would have logically included weapons.
There is much more wrong with this paper. I am sure these things probably did happen. There was more than one incident where Egypt was conquered from rebellions within and enemies without. And after the Hebrews left Egypt was weakened. They lost not only a huge workforce, but the cream of her army now lay drowned in the Red Sea. Enemies, always hungry and watching for a chance would have seen this defeat by slaves as proof of weakness and that her army was severely depleted. They would have (and there is much more evidence than he cited tat they did) try to take advantage and attack. This is one reason the Hebrews were left to wander unmolested by Egypt for 40 years in territories Egypt had until then controlled.
The time of the exodus has been debated for many decades. But his timeline for the events he documents is 40 years- the approximate time of the Hebrews wanderings. That would have kept the Egyptians busy doing other things than bothering a tribe of ex-slaves who were wandering just outside their borders.
Since ancient "historians" did not have the same standards as we do today, events and characters were often confused, transposed from one group or event to another. "Historians" then were really either scribes trying to make sense of what they were told or storytellers who were less interested in accuracy than in telling a story that either made a point or preserved the mythology of a people.
Far too much wrong there. I'll stay with the biblical account.
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Post by mystic on May 26, 2021 3:53:20 GMT -8
I had expected that the Egyptians would have had this event or some of it recorded in their hieroglyphs, was something like this ever found?
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Post by alon on May 26, 2021 9:12:51 GMT -8
I had expected that the Egyptians would have had this event or some of it recorded in their hieroglyphs, was something like this ever found? |
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Post by mosheli on May 28, 2021 22:09:16 GMT -8
Hello Mystic and Alon, by coincidence I recently wrote a rough paper on this very subject of evidence of the Exodus in Egyptian records. It is too long to post here but I will email you both a copy. (It is on academia.edu but people who are not registered members have to sign in with facebook or google or other to view/download the papers there.)
(The paper only deals with evidences for the Exodus in Egyptian records and archaeology, it doesn't deal with all the other issues around the book of exodus story and chronology. I didn't include a table showing my correspondences of biblical times events and Egyptian dynasties, but I place Joseph in the (2nd? or) 3rd to 4th (or 5th?) dynasties and Moses in the (6th? &/or) 12th (&/or 13th) dynasty/dynasties and David in the 18th dynasty Amarna letters period, and Shishak in the 19th dynasty. (The conventional dates of the Egyptian dynasties are some centuries too old/long, and the conventional dates of biblical events too low/short.))
Just for this thread/topic here I'll only briefly mention a few sources. Velikovsky showed that the Ipuwer Papyrus and the El-Arish Inscription have matches with the Exodus account.
In researching and writing the paper I came to see that the evidence is actually pretty good contrary to claims of conventional critics and sceptics.
God bless.
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Post by mystic on May 29, 2021 3:43:53 GMT -8
Great one Moshelli, I have been seeking that info for some years now but could never find any. I will go through it and respond back here, appreciate it, blessings!
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Post by alon on May 29, 2021 7:09:10 GMT -8
Hello Mystic and Alon, by coincidence I recently wrote a rough paper on this very subject of evidence of the Exodus in Egyptian records. It is too long to post here but I will email you both a copy. (It is on academia.edu but people who are not registered members have to sign in with facebook or google or other to view/download the papers there.) (The paper only deals with evidences for the Exodus in Egyptian records and archaeology, it doesn't deal with all the other issues around the book of exodus story and chronology. I didn't include a table showing my correspondences of biblical times events and Egyptian dynasties, but I place Joseph in the (2nd? or) 3rd to 4th (or 5th?) dynasties and Moses in the (6th? &/or) 12th (&/or 13th) dynasty/dynasties and David in the 18th dynasty Amarna letters period, and Shishak in the 19th dynasty. (The conventional dates of the Egyptian dynasties are some centuries too old/long, and the conventional dates of biblical events too low/short.)) Just for this thread/topic here I'll only briefly mention a few sources. Velikovsky showed that the Ipuwer Papyrus and the El-Arish Inscription have matches with the Exodus account. In researching and writing the paper I came to see that the evidence is actually pretty good contrary to claims of conventional critics and sceptics. God bless.
I once saw a You Tube piece on the Exodus, and they claimed moving the dates (earlier, I recall) made it fit perfectly into world events. They also had evidence from Egyptian archaeology and history. But the movie was taken down.
At best history is a bit muddy. At worst there seem to be powerful (in their own little academic worlds) forces intent on proving it did not happen; especially not as told in the Bible. Me, I'm a simple sort. I'll stay with the biblical account. However it's good people like yourself do find evidences of the probability it did happen. |
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