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Post by mystic on Feb 26, 2020 8:30:34 GMT -8
This question has been plaguing me for a very long time now. Is there any scripture relating to this please?
There were some times in the past few years since I became born again that some thing went wrong right after I had committed some sin or the other and since the Jews say "there is no coincidence" you can see the reason for my question.
Latest incident, yesterday an ex-GF who lives in another State called me up after I had asked her to pray for me for something specific. She is part of my prayer group which prays for anyone for anything. To be specific, as I had told Dan a short while back, I have always been seeking a specific place and environment to live and have now narrowed it down but in order for me to get such a place I would need certain things to happen.
So I asked her to help me pray for this purpose. Thing is, this place I am asking god to give me was a dream both her and I had shared when we were together years ago but she had gotten married last year and has a good life now. Upon seeing the place I linked her to yesterday she called me up and some old feelings were brought up and discussed briefly so I guessed both of us might have sinned in our thoughts and/or words during the short discussion on the place in question.
This morning the upstairs tenants shower broke so I am questioning the timing of this. What complicates this for me guys is I know break at least one Sabbath rule each Saturday due to my circumstances here and always wait for it expecting for God to drop the hammer on me for that but he doesn't do anything right away or at all so you guys can see my confusion?
Can it be maybe he doesn't care either way whether I observe the Sabbath or not as some Jews have told me and that may be why he might be punishing me in other regular situations?
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Post by alon on Feb 26, 2020 15:17:50 GMT -8
This question has been plaguing me for a very long time now. Is there any scripture relating to this please? There were some times in the past few years since I became born again that some thing went wrong right after I had committed some sin or the other and since the Jews say "there is no coincidence" you can see the reason for my question. Latest incident, yesterday an ex-GF who lives in another State called me up after I had asked her to pray for me for something specific. She is part of my prayer group which prays for anyone for anything. To be specific, as I had told Dan a short while back, I have always been seeking a specific place and environment to live and have now narrowed it down but in order for me to get such a place I would need certain things to happen. So I asked her to help me pray for this purpose. Thing is, this place I am asking god to give me was a dream both her and I had shared when we were together years ago but she had gotten married last year and has a good life now. Upon seeing the place I linked her to yesterday she called me up and some old feelings were brought up and discussed briefly so I guessed both of us might have sinned in our thoughts and/or words during the short discussion on the place in question. This morning the upstairs tenants shower broke so I am questioning the timing of this. What complicates this for me guys is I know break at least one Sabbath rule each Saturday due to my circumstances here and always wait for it expecting for God to drop the hammer on me for that but he doesn't do anything right away or at all so you guys can see my confusion? Can it be maybe he doesn't care either way whether I observe the Sabbath or not as some Jews have told me and that may be why he might be punishing me in other regular situations?
There is forgiveness for the asking. However look at the second part of that verse. If you constantly dwell on things like fantasizing about ex girlfriends or other women, your actions and speech will reflect this. Kids pick up on these attitudes and learn to emulate them. So your sin becomes a generational sin, passed down through attitudes learned from you to "the third and the fourth generations." Your progeny will pay for your sins, because unrepented sins are punished. Maybe here and now, but surely at the judgement.
I wouldn't say a broken shower is necessarily punishment for anything. Showers break. This may just be something you must deal with. Now if we sin, especially intentionally, we may be punished. Not saying we won't. And even if we are forgiven we may have to live with the consequences of our sin. But everything that happens is not punishment for some sin we committed. So quit flogging yourself and just fix the next thing that breaks in a Godly manner!
Dan C
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Post by mystic on Feb 27, 2020 7:33:08 GMT -8
Got it, great advice, thanks!
This has always been a very tricky thing with the Ex, we are both genuinely trying to do the right thing but it seems "sometimes" and not always that the past comes up during our conversations somehow. You know the song "always something there to remind me" so we cannot escape this. We do genuinely try to keep out conversations clean and both ask for forgiveness for anything we may have said which might have been wrong anytime we speak.
THE only way to avoid this is to cut all communications permanently but it was her who was the main person responsible for leading me to God in the first place and it was her who had helped me in the beginning with all of the Bible stuff. Therefore I have asked God many times to let me know if I should cut all ties, so far he hasn't shown me anything.
We do not speak that often in any case for the same reason to try to avoid sinning in our words and thoughts but because our families are tied in together and because we both belong to the same Prayer group we have to speak sometimes.
I think since I so genuinely try to walk the righteous path in my every word, thoughts and actions every moment of every day that whenever something crops up here in this very hectic household I tend to look to myself to see what I might have done wrong so a lot of it is "guilt" which is something I have had to deal with all of my life. I always blame myself for everything that goes wrong.
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Post by mystic on Feb 28, 2020 7:51:39 GMT -8
I just heard a pastor say "persecution will come to those who live godly lives", any directly related scripture for this please?
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Post by alon on Feb 28, 2020 11:24:01 GMT -8
I just heard a pastor say "persecution will come to those who live godly lives", any directly related scripture for this please? |
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Post by alon on Feb 28, 2020 11:40:18 GMT -8
Got it, great advice, thanks! This has always been a very tricky thing with the Ex, we are both genuinely trying to do the right thing but it seems "sometimes" and not always that the past comes up during our conversations somehow. You know the song "always something there to remind me" so we cannot escape this. We do genuinely try to keep out conversations clean and both ask for forgiveness for anything we may have said which might have been wrong anytime we speak. THE only way to avoid this is to cut all communications permanently but it was her who was the main person responsible for leading me to God in the first place and it was her who had helped me in the beginning with all of the Bible stuff. Therefore I have asked God many times to let me know if I should cut all ties, so far he hasn't shown me anything. When we already know what needs to be done, God is usually just patiently, silently waiting for us to do it. We are strange animals though. In one thread you say you don't want to "fear" God, yet here you seem to be waiting to be hit by lightning so you'll do what is necessary and end the relationship. Unless you are trying for reconciliation, in which case you must cut off dating relationships with other women. If you ask Him for the lightning though, don't be surprised when you get it!
... I always blame myself for everything that goes wrong. LOL, if you are anything like me, you probably are partly to blame! The trick is to prayerfully and honestly look at what part of the problem is due to your sin. Then repent, ask for help, and change the problem: whether it is an attitude, a living arrangement, or possibly just demanding others respect your faith and not attempt to get you to (for example) break Shabbat. Usually easier said than done. But sometimes it's the only way to move forward.
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Post by mystic on Feb 29, 2020 4:59:58 GMT -8
No, there is no reconciliation with the ex for me even if she was ever to get divorced. Christ said "do not marry a divorced woman" so that's that. As mentioned we only worry about our words and thoughts whenever we do speak which is not often but we try to keep it clean and do so for the most part.
Yes, my exact words "I want to love, honor and respect God as my Father, not live in fear of him but I have a problem always wondering if God will drop the hammer on me if I should do this, that or the other. However on the other hand I think it is this fear which will keep me in line or prevent me from doing wrong so maybe it's a good thing?" I think I need to come to terms with this issue somehow.
I thought I was alone with this issue but that Pastor said the same thing too. Most of the times something goes wrong it does not involve in any way but what I am saying [or think I'm saying] is I always wonder of that event or situation came about because of something I had done wrong.
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Post by alon on Feb 29, 2020 10:35:47 GMT -8
No, there is no reconciliation with the ex for me even if she was ever to get divorced. Christ said "do not marry a divorced woman" so that's that. You are absolutely correct. As mentioned we only worry about our words and thoughts whenever we do speak which is not often but we try to keep it clean and do so for the most part. If interaction can't be helped, then that is a good plan.Yes, my exact words "I want to love, honor and respect God as my Father, not live in fear of him but I have a problem always wondering if God will drop the hammer on me if I should do this, that or the other. However on the other hand I think it is this fear which will keep me in line or prevent me from doing wrong so maybe it's a good thing?" I think I need to come to terms with this issue somehow. We can make this hard on ourselves by constant worry and fear. Realize those are the tools of ha'satan. In HaShem there is freedom, not bondage to constant worry. We do our best in obedience not for fear of being stricken, but because we love God and want to please Him, to walk in His presence. Although when we are tempted to transgress, which is willful disobedience when we KNOW something is wrong maybe a little fear is a good thing. But He is a patient God, and will give us every opportunity to repent. If He does choose to discipline immediately, then know that it is for your good, not because He wants to hurt you.I thought I was alone with this issue but that Pastor said the same thing too. Most of the times something goes wrong it does not involve in any way but what I am saying [or think I'm saying] is I always wonder of that event or situation came about because of something I had done wrong. We all struggle with this at some point. Here's what you need to understand: things go wrong all the time. Saying "This happened because I just did wrong" is a logical fallacy called "Accident." That is when 2 things occur so closely together we assume it is cause and effect. But in reality they are unrelated. And since things are always going wrong, you will have plenty of chances to pin things that are totally unrelated together. If you know you did something wrong, just repent. Apologize to Adonai and to anyone else you may have done wrong, then purpose not to do it again. Ask HaShem to help, since you are a fallible human and may be tempted again. Then move on secure in the knowledge that you are forgiven!
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