Will Orthodox Jews go to heaven?

[mystic]

Since Christ said only way to the father is through him?

[jimmie]

I don't speak for Orthodox Jews or for God. My understanding is Orthodox Jews worship God. Christ said he is God. So Orthodox Jews Worship Christ.

[Elizabeth]

Orthodox Jews do not worship Christ - they actually curse Him.

We can't say one thing then the other. Everything we have given to us from the Father is in a Jewish context so how can we say it doesn't apply to them? The Messiah was revealed and given to us through a Jewish book and Jewish people. While on earth He came to Jewish people. What HE said on earth He said to a Jewish audience. Why would He preach a Gospel of repentance and follow me to those who don't need it? Why did He say they have to call on Him for the Kingdom to come? Why would He die on a cross if there was anyway around it? He prayed for another way, and none was given Him. We could all just have converted to Judaism to be saved if it's as you said. It was their Temple tables He overthrew. It was their teachers and leaders He rebuked. It was their people He told to follow Him. It was Peter, a Jewish man, He told if you don't let me wash your feet, you have no place in the Kingdom of Heaven. We're just the dogs for the crumbs.  according to Mathew 15:26, so then all He said has to be also for them.

[alon]

I have to agree with Elizabeth. Rejection of Yeshua is a deal breaker for salvation. Is it absolute? There is always the argument that if a Jew worships the God of Israel and has never heard of Yeshua, or has only heard of Him as taught in synagogues where He is hated then they will be saved. They are after all doing the best they can with what they know. To that my response is as it has always been since coming to Messianism: The farther we are from and from Yeshua, the more danger we are in from the fires of Gehenna. It's a parallel to the idea that an aboriginal person in a remote tribe can look at nature and see the God of creation; and if that person does the best he can with the light he is given he will be saved. But exactly how many do we believe are saved like that? Do we not send missionaries to the farthest corners of the world to reach those people with the Word? If I thought anyone, including mainstream Jews were likely to be saved like that, I'd quit sharing the Gospel with them! In Christian terms (which is where this argument comes from) they were going to heaven, then I came along and told them about Jesus and now they either accept Him or go to Hell! What a bad person I am ... really?

So mainstream Jews, especially the Orthodox need to know about Yeshua so they can make an informed decision, not leaving it to chance they will just be such a good person they will make it on their own. I very (very-very) seriously doubt that will be the case.

Dan (very-very) C

[garrett]

Jan 31, 2020 16:04:35 GMT -8 jimmie said:

I don't speak for Orthodox Jews or for God. My understanding is Orthodox Jews worship God. Christ said he is God. So Orthodox Jews Worship Christ.

I recall a conversation I had with an orthodox jew in the synagogue after Shabbat morning service. He's a very nice man who had recently retired from being a rabbi/chaplain in the military. During the course of talking he flat out stated that belief in "Christ" (he said it in so many words) was idolatry. 

That made it clear to me. 

Orthodox jews worship the One G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. And they are right and their "salvation" was secure - until G-d Himself manifested as the Messiah. Those who accepted him as Mashiach followed the holy writings and by faith secured their spiritual future. Those who rejected the observant, miracle-making, scripture quoting, authoritative, self-predicting Messiah forfeited their spiritual future. This is an either/or scenario for the jew who is fully informed about Yeshua. 

And the second destruction of the Temple was no coincidence. It was a symptom and a consequence - of the sin of disbelief.

The binding thing is that G-d himself made an unbreakable covenant with His people. But He never made a covenant or an indication that each person's spiritual future was permanently secure after death by being a "religious" jew.