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Post by mystic on Jun 19, 2019 3:00:44 GMT -8
Everyday at the end of my shower I will just let the water run over me and I will say these words "Father, with this water please wash away all of my sins and illnesses and all negative things from me for God moved over the waters". I have no idea why I started doing this, it just happened one day and I have been doing it ever since.
A Christian Pastor told me we should not bless ourselves. I don't see this as me blessing myself since I am asking God to do it but I think what she is saying is only a Priest can bless us. What are your thoughts on this please, am I doing wrong by doing this?
Also, every now and then I take some olive oil and bless my room, work desk, for posts, pillows e.t.c, is this wrong for me to do this or should this only be done by an ordained Priest, any scriptures on this please?
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Post by jimmie on Jun 19, 2019 7:22:51 GMT -8
Jacob seems to ask a blessing for himself:
Gen 32:26 And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me.
There may be an issue doing it for others:
Job 1:5 And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually.
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Post by alon on Jun 19, 2019 7:29:16 GMT -8
Everyday at the end of my shower I will just let the water run over me and I will say these words "Father, with this water please wash away all of my sins and illnesses and all negative things from me for God moved over the waters". I have no idea why I started doing this, it just happened one day and I have been doing it ever since. If it helps you in some way, I suppose ... However biblically a modern shower has no meaning. The Hebrew term translated "bless" is " barak" ברך meaning to kneel, or to place or be placed in a favorable position. The only way you can bless yourself is to obey  , remain faithful. This positions you so that God can bless you. You can ask God to bless you. But no, I do not think you can bless yourself. And why are you still listening to Christian pastors; especially women pastors? And what authority would a priest have over you that he could bless you? You're either Messianic or Christian, and few of our doctrines match theirs, including this one. I know this is all the rage in Pentecostal Christian circles, but it has no place in Messianism. Pointless for you to do it, but dead wrong for you to allow a priest to do it in your home. You are still trying to live in both worlds, but they are incompatible. Dan C |
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Post by mystic on Jun 19, 2019 10:04:31 GMT -8
You can ask God to bless you. But no, I do not think you can bless him or herself. And why are you still listening to Christian pastors; especially women pastors? And what authority would a priest have over you that he could bless you? You're either Messianic or Christian, and few of our doctrines match theirs, including this one. I know this is all the rage in Pentecostal Christian circles, but it has no place in Messianism. Pointless for you to do it, but dead wrong for you to allow a priest to do it in your home. You are still trying to live in both worlds, but they are incompatible. Dan C Right, it never dawned on me that one can bless themselves so that was never my intention with the shower issue. I wasn't "listening" to the Pastor, was just having a conversation. Not only Pentecostal. All my life growing up in Presbyterian circles that was the norm, to have a Pastor every whenever come to the home to bless the home. What I am looking into regarding myself blessing my room is Jesus said Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely you have received, freely give. Who was he instructing to do this, only his disciples or anyone who believes in him? |
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Post by alon on Jun 19, 2019 12:56:11 GMT -8
Right, it never dawned on me that one can bless themselves so that was never my intention with the shower issue. Sorry. The title of your thread is "Can we bless ourselves?" So I thought you were asking about that. If you are having a conversation with a pastor, it is a good bet the pastor is trying to convince you his/her church has the truth. I didn't know the practice was that widespread. Thanks for pointing that out. He was speaking only to and about His apostles. Look at the beginning of that chapter: Matthew 10:1-2a (ESV) And he called to him his twelve disciples and gave them authority over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal every disease and every affliction. The names of the twelve apostles are these: Note the switch? He calls them disciples, then apostles in the same breath. It denotes the 12 had gotten their smicha, their ordination and so were empowered to do these things. At the time the miracles were proof they were of Yeshua/God. Also they were spiritually in a place where God could bless them with this authority. No one today that I know of comes remotely close to what these men were in Yeshua. It's nice today for men to pretend. They go in and cast out demons in the name of God, and I'm sure the demons enjoy the show. But until they can show me miraculous healings and/or other miracles, I'll remain skeptical about their demon casting abilities. A concerned father praying for his home and his family does far more than someone oiling up the house and "casting out demons." Dan C |
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Post by Elizabeth on Jun 19, 2019 15:04:58 GMT -8
Everyday at the end of my shower I will just let the water run over me and I will say these words "Father, with this water please wash away all of my sins and illnesses and all negative things from me for God moved over the waters". I have no idea why I started doing this, it just happened one day and I have been doing it ever since. A Christian Pastor told me we should not bless ourselves. I don't see this as me blessing myself since I am asking God to do it but I think what she is saying is only a Priest can bless us. What are your thoughts on this please, am I doing wrong by doing this? Also, every now and then I take some olive oil and bless my room, work desk, for posts, pillows e.t.c, is this wrong for me to do this or should this only be done by an ordained Priest, any scriptures on this please? [ Yes, something does sound wrong to me. Yeshua's blood is how G-d washes or has washed away your sin. Even baptism is only symbolic as its after we're saved that we're to be baptized. In terms of blessing things; you can't. That's a Christian pagan-based fallacy. G-d blesses animals and people with the things He provides them. We bless G-d for what He gives. Never did He bless the thing itself. In prayers we don't bless the things G-d gives, rather Him for giving them. It doesn't make sense to ask G-d to bless things. Think what good gift do you want Him to give for your pillow, or do you think it needs protection and provision? I can only assume the idea of blessing things is based in pagan practices present in Christianity and superstition because it's idolatrous at its root. It's common to ask the priest to "bless" crucifixes and such in Catholicism for example. Underneath it all is the thinking that somehow it makes the "thing" more powerful and/or a superstitiously spiritual means of protection. I don't believe that is from G-d. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I need to extend my thinking because I remember G-d blessed the seventh day after posting this, but I'm leaving it because maybe it will help someone else help me understand where I'm misunderstanding. Also, I still do think something is off with what your doing in the way I described. I may have an emotional overreaction to the idea of blessing things because of my days as a Catholic, but I really don't think what you described is sound and biblical. My reaction immediate must be too extreme because of my own history with this kind of stuff, but I do think your getting into something paganish or superstitious. |
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Post by mystic on Jun 20, 2019 2:47:33 GMT -8
Sorry. The title of your thread is "Can we bless ourselves?" So I thought you were asking about that. If you are having a conversation with a pastor, it is a good bet the pastor is trying to convince you his/her church has the truth. He was speaking only to and about His apostles. Look at the beginning of that chapter: Matthew 10:1-2a (ESV) And he called to him his twelve disciples and gave them authority over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal every disease and every affliction. The names of the twelve apostles are these: A concerned father praying for his home and his family does far more than someone oiling up the house and "casting out demons." Dan C Yes I was asking about blessing ourselves but what I am saying was I was not blessing myself but asking God to do it with the running water. I try to use every occasion daily to to pray or talk to God. Yes, that is true that a Pastor will be trying to convince someone of his/her truth but do I believe in what they are telling me, not always, depends on what they are telling me in our conversations. A lot of the times I am not in agreement with Christians to begin with. Hmnn, what about Jesus said we can do the same works He did. He even said we can do greater works than He did. John 14:12-14 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. Isn't that referring to me and you? |
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Post by alon on Jun 20, 2019 17:42:07 GMT -8
John 14:12-14 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. Isn't that referring to me and you? Depends. It is if our faith is like that of the Apostles. But mine falls far short. Dan C |
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